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Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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One of the hardest times in my life was being 14 and absolutely exhausted in school. I also added to it by signing up for an early morning workout class. That combined with a dose of adderall each day had me absolutely tired and wired. I got hurt 3x in football and it just sent me into a spiral.

All that to say, glad to know that future generations of high schools will be getting more rest.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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I never understand the schedule for schools: 1. elementary school starts at 7:30AM, middle school at 8:20, high school at 9:10 here. So, the youngest kid gets up at 6:50AM, older ones at 7:50AM, oldest at 8:40(assuming you're not too far from school that is). why the youngest ended up getting up the earliest puzzles me. 2. School is off in hot summer and cold winter, I would prefer they study on campus then, so they…

Schools reused school buses, once they deliver the elementary school kids it is back out (different route) for the next grade. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other schools in your district with other start times. If the school system would team up with public transit, they are already a quarter of the say to all day bus service for everyone.

In many European cities all public school students use the existing public transit (buses, trams, subway). Very young children are typically dropped off and picked up by a parent, but beyond second grade they are usually traveling with their peers.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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I think the bigger issue is unsupervised minors. Not all high schoolers are mature enough to be left alone and go to school. I suppose this could be solved by pre-care, but that make this bill completely moot.

If you can't trust a highschool aged kid to go to school on their own, early start times aren't going to change anything. Heck, you can drive them to the building and watch them walk inside and they'll just walk right out the back. Delinquent kids dgaf. Now for the not totally delinquent but still up for sketchy borderline behaviour kids, finishing early and having couple hours between the end of class and when their…

If the kids really have a hard time waking up (the point t of this law), then it's possible they over sleep. Many parents might not be comfortable with their kid cooking breakfast unsupervised too.

If they're in after school activities and/or have a job, then it seem unlikely that they would get into trouble anyways. Pushing the time back will make these after school activities unfeasible for many, and limit opportunities.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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I never understand the schedule for schools: 1. elementary school starts at 7:30AM, middle school at 8:20, high school at 9:10 here. So, the youngest kid gets up at 6:50AM, older ones at 7:50AM, oldest at 8:40(assuming you're not too far from school that is). why the youngest ended up getting up the earliest puzzles me. 2. School is off in hot summer and cold winter, I would prefer they study on campus then, so they…

> why the youngest ended up getting up the earliest puzzles me. I've always heard teenagers need more sleep than younger kids. I've never actually verified this claim. In my area it's the opposite, and the reason is simple: high schoolers don't need childcare. > School is off in hot summer and cold winter, I would prefer they study on campus then, so they can enjoy longer break in spring and fall, where outdoor weath…

It may not be that teenagers need more sleep rather that it’s harder for them to get enough sleep because they don’t have someone else controlling their sleep schedule like children do.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Nothing will change. Kids will just take advantage of the late start by staying up even later.

I dont understand this either. Yes teenagers are tired in the morning and hard to get out of bed. My daughter and her friends go to bed at midnight, 1am, often later.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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That's because the law is based around what's been observed behaviorally/biologically. Not what's good for working parents Schools shouldn't be forcing developing humans into a schedule that impairs their ability to learn and function, no matter what they want to decide

If they do enough physical and mental labor during the day and turn off their smart phones at night, they’ll have no issue going to sleep early enough. On the other hand if you do nothing mentally stimulating or physically tiring all day long, then of course you won’t be able to sleep till late.

That's no joke. I did tree removal for a few weeks one Summer while waiting for my Summer camp counselling job to start. I slept a solid 10 hours every night and felt awesome every morning. "Guiltless sleep of the righteous" and all of that. If they could bottle that sleep in a pill without having to drag downed trees all day, it would be crazy addictive.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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I never understand the schedule for schools: 1. elementary school starts at 7:30AM, middle school at 8:20, high school at 9:10 here. So, the youngest kid gets up at 6:50AM, older ones at 7:50AM, oldest at 8:40(assuming you're not too far from school that is). why the youngest ended up getting up the earliest puzzles me. 2. School is off in hot summer and cold winter, I would prefer they study on campus then, so they…

> why the youngest ended up getting up the earliest puzzles me. I think there's been quite a few studies indicating that teenagers benefit the most from later start times due to the shift in their internal clock. Little kids can deal with earlier start times. Staggered start is frequently due to logistics; they don't want to pay for a larger fleet of school buses and drivers to facilitate the schools starting at the…

Helps working parents with logistics too. High school kids can dress themselves and get themselves to school.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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>Not all high schoolers are mature enough to be left alone and go to school As an anecdote, 100% of my class was coming to the school and back without being supervised since age 8. This was in 90s and not in the US, but the gap of "mature enough to go to school" between my experience and the statement feels a bit high, somehow.

Yep. And it’s 100% normal for early prior year school aged kids in Japan to cross town on the subway on their own. The American obsession with helicoptering their kids all the way through their first job is super weird and unhealthy.

Could we just stop? Please? I know it's cool to talk shit about Americans constantly but it gets old. I want to expect better from HN.

> The American obsession with helicoptering their kids all the way through their first job is super weird and unhealthy.

My kids, along with many others, were getting themselves to & from school without my supervision starting in third grade. Earlier, even, for my son since his sister is two years older and was with him.

This is normal. What is the fascination that so many Europeans (and others) have with making wild unsupported assertions about what Americans do and then build an entire critique from that?

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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I never understand the schedule for schools: 1. elementary school starts at 7:30AM, middle school at 8:20, high school at 9:10 here. So, the youngest kid gets up at 6:50AM, older ones at 7:50AM, oldest at 8:40(assuming you're not too far from school that is). why the youngest ended up getting up the earliest puzzles me. 2. School is off in hot summer and cold winter, I would prefer they study on campus then, so they…

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