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Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by dbetteridge » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:14 AM UTC

Andaith wrote: post #51

ggm wrote: post #10

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The supply chain logistics which let asparagus importers get stock from Peru in the off season are the same ones which means they can't just ring up on a whim and ask for some more, in the "on" season. Australian Quarantine and Customs Inspection service is pretty strong on vegitative matter, especially live vegitative matter: You need a LOT of paperwork, to be able to bring fresh produce into Australia. And this loc…

What's wild to me is that apparently there's only one place on this continent that grows lettuce. It seems like a bit of an all-your-eggs-in-one-basket thing to have one valley in QLD(I think) that does lettuce for the nation, and they have some bad weather and suddenly we're all sans-lettuce.

WA has plenty of lettuce, not sure where that's coming from though.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by UkrainianJew » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:14 AM UTC

jonny_eh wrote: post #13

ianai wrote: post #3

Really starting to feel dangerous to live anywhere in the US southwest. Lake Meade approaching deadpool and massive wildfire nearing my house this summer. Plus the government is led by people who refer to much of the southwest as “fly over country” doesn’t help.

Maybe the Southwest should elect representatives that believe in climate change.

Rather cause and effect. We need efficient mitigations to problems occurring right now, not gestures that would have an effect 50 years from now, if only the rest of the world followed suit.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by defrost » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:18 AM UTC

Andaith wrote: post #51

ggm wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The supply chain logistics which let asparagus importers get stock from Peru in the off season are the same ones which means they can't just ring up on a whim and ask for some more, in the "on" season. Australian Quarantine and Customs Inspection service is pretty strong on vegitative matter, especially live vegitative matter: You need a LOT of paperwork, to be able to bring fresh produce into Australia. And this loc…

What's wild to me is that apparently there's only one place on this continent that grows lettuce. It seems like a bit of an all-your-eggs-in-one-basket thing to have one valley in QLD(I think) that does lettuce for the nation, and they have some bad weather and suddenly we're all sans-lettuce.

Many rural areas in Ausralia have small scale local area market gardens, here in W.Australia most everything I eat is sourced within a 15 - 20 km radius be it flour, olive oil, lambs, oranges, etc (even the odd banana and a fw mangos) - but that's a far cry from the dedicated single crop volumes required to supply cities and for export.

Worldwide there's an issue with regions being devoted to mainly a single crop intended to supply tens of millions across several cities, often overseas.

Good when it works, better have a backup alternative when that fails.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by AlbertCory » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:19 AM UTC

quickthrower2 wrote: post #22

doctor_eval wrote: post #18

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Yes, I'm in the sunshine coast and have experienced all of the above. We were cut off from school by flooding for about a week, a drive that usually took 15 minutes was taking at least an hour because of the long detour. And our roof has leaked. At least we didn't need to put water in the pool ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But the mould ... that was the worst. I'm going to smell of vinegar and clove oil for the rest of my life.

Good old apple cider vinegar! Good for battling those annoying pantry moths, and good for salads.

Pantry moths! See, Nextdoor really is good for something. Someone there put me on to these. I got some, and they work like a champ.

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Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by jiggyjace » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:22 AM UTC

ianai wrote: post #3

Really starting to feel dangerous to live anywhere in the US southwest. Lake Meade approaching deadpool and massive wildfire nearing my house this summer. Plus the government is led by people who refer to much of the southwest as “fly over country” doesn’t help.

I don't know what news you're plugged in to but I'm not worried at all living in the SW US. Phoenix and Tucson had by far their wettest rainy season in decades last year and are projected to have another wet season this year. And the state of AZ uses less water for 10x the population than it did in the 1950s.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by twicetwice » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:27 AM UTC

10u152 wrote: post #59

Andaith wrote: post #51

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What's wild to me is that apparently there's only one place on this continent that grows lettuce. It seems like a bit of an all-your-eggs-in-one-basket thing to have one valley in QLD(I think) that does lettuce for the nation, and they have some bad weather and suddenly we're all sans-lettuce.

Yes....and no. Lettuce likes some pretty specific conditions. If there's one area that's perfectly suited to growing lettuce with the minimum resources (fertiliser/water etc) then grow it there. Better than trying to grow it in the desert or somewhere much too cold. If Australians go without lettuce for a month or so nobody is going to die. Eat rocket, spinach and cabbage instead.

For Americans (and others?) who are OOTL, rocket == arugula. It has a bunch of other names too, apparently.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by DyslexicAtheist » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:28 AM UTC

c1sc0 wrote: post #53

losteric wrote: post #20

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> What do you expect the Feds to do about the weather? Intervene and rebalance the water markets, which are currently unsustainable based on bad decades-old science.

Geoengineering. I know that if they won’t do it someone will. Iron fertilization in particular looks cheap enough to try at the non-state level.

> Geoengineering. I know that if they won’t do it someone will.

that's true for any terrible idea. in many way's terrible ideas is how humanity progresses. but it seems bad to double down on the same old ("more engineering") to solve the problem. Guess the alternative "spend less" is very unpopular because it's something anyone can do but it actually hurts.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by toomuchtodo » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:31 AM UTC

UkrainianJew wrote: post #62

jonny_eh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the Southwest should elect representatives that believe in climate change.

Rather cause and effect. We need efficient mitigations to problems occurring right now, not gestures that would have an effect 50 years from now, if only the rest of the world followed suit.

The mitigations are to stop development and water intensive agriculture, and anyone who runs on that platform won’t be elected. The problem will, painfully, solve itself when water supplies are exhausted.

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by toomuchtodo » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:32 AM UTC

swayvil wrote: post #23

Southern IL here Present spring is looking to be both the coldest and hottest in recent memory. Really obnoxious. For a couple weeks we got crazy powerful winds. Thrashed everything. Right now we are in a drought.

Thunderstorms recently have been much more powerful as well, yeah?

Re: Rare ‘triple’ La Niña climate event looks likely

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st » Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:34 AM UTC

erikpukinskis wrote: post #58

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #49

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that was a reply to the suggestion that "maybe" the area should elect senators who believe in climate change. we already have. it wasn't a suggestion that this is actually the answer.

They said representatives not senators. There are state senators who are the relevant representatives here not federal ones.

CA and NM both have Democratic "trifectas", and it can reasonably be assumed that they are dominated by anthropogenic climate change believers.

However, I would dispute your claim. The majority of the land (and thus resources) in the SW is under federal, not state control. Ergo, federal representatives play an outsize role in deciding questions central to the SW role in and sufferer of climate change.