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WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by BeefWellington »

falcolas wrote: post #45
Nextgrid wrote: post #12

Patron has a similar issue. Subscribing to a creator by default opts you into all types of notifications from them, and notifications are configured on a per-creator basis with no global override. Worse, if I remember right, the page’s entire state (for all the creators) was represented in a single, slow HTTP request that was fired off when any checkbox was changed. Unchecking checkboxes quickly (faster than 1/second…

I actually appreciate having that level of control. Some creators are absurdly talkative, others only post things I’m interested in. The ability to control it at such a fine level has kept my sanity, and my support.

I don't think the issue is with having fine-grained control as much as it is having no ability to either set defaults (e.g.: Opt-in to notifications from certain creators) or set account-wide overrides (Opt-out of all notifications).

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by the_pwner224 »

timando wrote: post #58
mttjj wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you prefer not to use a catchall alias[1] to prevent someone from just sending mail to garbage12345@yourdomain or for some other reason? I also use unique addresses for every website account I have but with the catchall, I don’t need to spend the 20 seconds to create the alias. It’s just automatically there. I can’t think of any issues I’ve had by using the wildcard alias. [1]: https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/a…

Can you disable an alias (i.e. drop all incoming mail to a particular address)?

Yes. Everything "just works" and it's quite easy to add block rules in the Fastmail web interface.

You initially set up the wildcard alias: for any email to *@example.com, route it to me@example.com

Then you can add rules to drop emails to foo@example.com, bar@example.com, .... Those work independently from the wildcard.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by toofy »

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages.

i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other.

the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the person. be careful!”

the person knocking turned out to be a 16 year old girl who lives three blocks away who unfortunately got a flat tire and was hoping to borrow a phone to call her dad.

we live in an incredibly safe wealthy suburb and these people “crept” to a window like they’re in an old west shootout and decided to put out a warning on nextdoor about a little sixteen year old girl.

we still laugh just thinking how crazy these people must have looked while creeping from their kitchen to peek out a window in one of the safest areas in the state at a time of day when people are still out mowing their lawns.

nextdoor somehow just adds to these people’s already insane creeping paranoia.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by snapetom »

toofy wrote: post #63

This seems like the least of the negative impacts nextdoor encourages. i removed myself after months of watching people on this app become more and more paranoid, feeding off each other. the breaking point was when someonea put out a warning that someone had knocked on their door at 7:00pm, “the wife and i were eating dinner when the rude knock came. we crept over to the window, peeked out, and didn’t recognize the p…

Ugh. Tell me about it.

There was some poor lost delivery driver in a McHouse subdivision about near me. In one hand she was holding a plastic bag with food containers, and the other she was holding a phone. Two people posted video/photos of her clearly looking at house numbers. Both people posted "be on the lookout for this suspicious person casing the neighborhood" posts.

Like, come on. How stupid do you have to be.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by wonderbore »

dylan604 wrote: post #57
el_benhameen wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I begrudgingly use Nextdoor to make sure I don’t get put on blast for going on a run or walking my kid to school too close to someone’s driveway, and the unfathomably bad design and functionality of their mobile site has me convinced that they’d be incapable of intentionally implementing dark patterns.

>I begrudgingly use Nextdoor to make sure I don’t get put on blast for going on a run or ... And so what if you are? Not being there and put on blast affects you how? Being there and put on blast is different because? You can respond by using gasoline to put out the fire? Nextdoor is a great place to find out who you never want to associate in real life.

I don't know the dynamics of Nextdoor, but others complaining and organizing against me would scare me.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by Semaphor »

lwansbrough wrote: post #64
dylan604 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

actually, they posted old.reddit it's like 2 totally different things

It's the people not the layout.

Depending on the subreddit, the people are less of an issue than on HN.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by wonderbore »

woodruffw wrote: post #23

We desperately need a revised CAN-SPAM[1], with two additional fangs: additional prohibitions on these sorts of dark patterns (designed to exhaust users into submission), and the opening of individual standing against companies that spam (so that individuals can directly sue these misbehaving companies rather than waiting for the FTC to un-capture itself). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003

I think that at a minimum we need to ban "opt-out" notifications and the abuse of "vital" mailing lists you can't unsubscribe from.

I'm tired of having to deal with (i.e. Mark as spam) a barrage of emails every time I register to a service.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by wlesieutre »

gnicholas wrote: post #43
totetsu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS only lets you turn off bluetooth for a day at a time.

Fair point. Same for wifi and offline tracking on shutdown.

If you turn it off in Settings it's off. The toggle in control center turns it off until tomorrow.

Re: WTF Nextdoor? Over 130 clicks to disable email and push notifications?

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Post by wonderbore »

chrismarlow9 wrote: post #42

I just went through this and the unsubscribe links in emails are slightly deceptive. They only cover that specific type of notification and have a toggle switch on the form that makes it confusing as to whether you're subscribing or not. It took about a week to fully stop the emails because different "types" of notifications kept coming in. Shady stuff.

Granularity is fine and often welcome, but following the unsubscribe link should also show what else is enabled and let me disable it on the spot.

Unfortunately this dark pattern is rather common, I think most social networks do that.

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