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3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by TylerE »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #48
mensetmanusman wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When my mother moved in and we went on daily walks, she lost a pound a week for a year. Her entirely sedentary lifestyle (and that of most Americans I know) is a major factor for her obesity. Standing is now considered exercise it has gotten so bad. But people will blame anything instead of taking action, so…

I'm pretty sure daily walks (no heart rate elevation, not HIIT, no muscle being built, etc.) didn't contribute significantly to your mother's weight loss. Moving around is not a significant contributor to weight loss[1]. Diet is the most significant contributing factor to gaining or losing weight. Moving in with someone new, new environment, new dietary changes, etc. might've done significantly more. 1. https://www.n…

If you're sedentary, walking is going to boost your heartrate

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by synu »

3M PFAS has poisoned the Westerschelde estuary here in the Netherlands and Belgium to the point where you can no longer eat fish from there, and the only thing 3M has done about it is complain to anyone who will listen that they unfairly haven’t been allowed to reopen their plant.

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2022/05/health-body-says-avoid...

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by heartbeats »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #7

Nothing will change until there are prison sentences, and the very deliberate system of shielding managers and corporations from responsibility is changed. It was known for decades that Asbestos and cigarettes causes lung cancer, that adding lead to gasoline is a terrible idea, that burning oil warms the atmosphere. The truth was suppressed through intimidation, lawsuits and bribes. Regulatory agencies are corrupted…

What they really need is a system that puts the fear of God into them. Simply prohibiting chemicals after we've found them to be dangerous is unhelpful, and regulating them before we've found them dangerous is impossible.

Why not have a serious system based on punishment instead, after the fact? For example-

"If a company is found to be responsible for a material environmental disaster, whoever was employed by that company during the relevant period shall be sentenced to life in prison and a fine of 100% of their net worth. No liability should apply for occupations which can be conclusively demonstrated to be unrelated to the activities of the firm, such as janitors or security guards.

The statute of limitations shall equal the duration of life of the concerned natural persons or the victims, whichever is longer."

This would cause people to self-regulate, based on whatever informal information they hear ("3M is doing really dodgy stuff, I wouldn't work there if I were you"), rather than having to wait for regulation. It would be much better suited, and would allow for the government to scrap other bothersome regulation.

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by arcticbull »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #45
collegeburner wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because it doesn't cure everything doesn't make it useless, bodybuilders do it as well to control blood pressure. Kinda like how those bubonic plague masks don't make covid masks useless.

Are you saying because bodybuilder use bloodletting that it's a good solution to blood pressure issues?

Just wait until you see how maggots are used in modern medicine. [1] Not all old ideas are bad.

[1] https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/medical-maggots/

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

goodpoint wrote: post #59
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean NO2 from diesel exhaust is provably reducing longevity i.e. killing people sooner, still no prison sentences happened for any of the heads in VW. [0] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

Serious question: why people obsess over Volkswagen? Other companies are even worst offenders. See chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal

Fair criticism.

It was VW's "off-the-chart" emissions that led investigators and regulators to review the claims of all other manufacturers. [0] So it is natural that the media focus on that manufacturer.

[0] https://www.autoevolution.com/news/meet-the-engineer-who-exp...

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by KennyBlanken »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #15
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #7

Nothing will change until there are prison sentences, and the very deliberate system of shielding managers and corporations from responsibility is changed. It was known for decades that Asbestos and cigarettes causes lung cancer, that adding lead to gasoline is a terrible idea, that burning oil warms the atmosphere. The truth was suppressed through intimidation, lawsuits and bribes. Regulatory agencies are corrupted…

I mean NO2 from diesel exhaust is provably reducing longevity i.e. killing people sooner, still no prison sentences happened for any of the heads in VW. [0] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

I wish people would stop acting like this was just VW. Every major manufacturer in Europe was found to have either emissions-cheating code, or to have emissions levels wildly higher than what the manufacturer claimed, because the EU regulators just trusted manufacturers to test and report CO2 and NOx figures. Shockingly, they all lied.

And if you live in America, diesel pickups have to meet a far less stringent set of emissions standards.

On top of that, many people who own duramaxes, powerstrokes, and cummins diesels strip out the emissions control equipment and run modded firmware on their ECUs to not throw a code...spewing far more pollution than these "dirty" diesels.

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by RobertRoberts »

arcticbull wrote: post #64
RobertRoberts wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying because bodybuilder use bloodletting that it's a good solution to blood pressure issues?

Just wait until you see how maggots are used in modern medicine. [1] Not all old ideas are bad. [1] https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/medical-maggots/

An old saying is an "ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".

When the cure prevents any analysis of applying prevention (even discussing it) then the cure is part of the problem.

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by KennyBlanken »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #65
goodpoint wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: why people obsess over Volkswagen? Other companies are even worst offenders. See chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal

Fair criticism. It was VW's "off-the-chart" emissions that led investigators and regulators to review the claims of all other manufacturers. [0] So it is natural that the media focus on that manufacturer. [0] https://www.autoevolution.com/news/meet-the-engineer-who-exp...

If you think that US and EU investigators / regulators didn't know that every manufacturer was cheating on their emissions figures, I have a bridge in London to sell you.

Do you think EU politicians didn't know exactly what they were doing when they gave responsibility for reporting emissions figures to automakers and then blindly trusted them?

It's been an open secret for decades among 'chip' tuners that manufacturers have been cheating on emissions almost since microcontrollers were used for engine management...the extra code and extra lookup tables are there plain as day when you dump the roms.

Why do you think many tuners have functions that allow you to switch between a stock engine program and a tuned one, so you can pass emissions, by pushing various buttons on the dash or actuating the cruise control stalk in a certain pattern? Because those features are how OEMs activate the emissions cheating tables and code in their ECUs

Did you notice that there hasn't been any discussion on steps EU or US regulators have taken to detect this cheating?

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by anon_d »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #54
hansword wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because a sedentary lifestyle is bad for your health, doesn't mean smoking is harmless. Do you know anything about these chemical? If so, please share. If not, well, ....

Smoking is an interesting example, Japan smokes a lot more and has less obesity and seems to have higher general health…

Smoking decreases appetite. A lot of people who quit smoking gain significant weight.
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