It's good to see even experimental support for lessening the reliance on NgModules (which get in the way of appropriate tree-shaking), but I wish it weren't by doubling down on Angular's usage of non-standard Decorators. Requiring an experimental build flag in Typescript to even use Angular at all still feels like a red flag if not just outright poor taste in the framework architecture.
Angular v14 is now available
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#63I'm kind of amazed Angular is still around. I hadn't heard of it for what feels like years at this point & assumed it was already in the graveyard. My company tried using it back in 2017ish but it was a pain for us at the time. Other than Google's own services, does anyone have any examples or experiences using Angular nowadays?
You might be thinking of AngularJS 1.x, the older framework whose API looks pretty archaic nowadays. It was succeeded by Angular (versions 2 and up), which is very popular for large complex apps at large companies. I think React, in the form of Next and other frameworks built around React, have finally caught up with the reason that made it so: more stuff "in the box", with decisions already made and already working.…
Wise words, as usual. Angular certainly has a lot of value for larger companies not interested in having big technical stack differences between projects and teams.
Re: Angular v14 is now available
#64I'm kind of amazed Angular is still around. I hadn't heard of it for what feels like years at this point & assumed it was already in the graveyard. My company tried using it back in 2017ish but it was a pain for us at the time. Other than Google's own services, does anyone have any examples or experiences using Angular nowadays?
I believe the AWS console uses, or used?, angular, as one can see the ng-* attributes on their elements but I wasn't able to readily find a specific file to confirm or deny that's still the case
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Good marketing in this space is also about leading by example and eating your dog food. Facebook used React internally before releasing it. Every new web front-end at Meta is written in React. They also had a convincing story of how the runtime expands beyond the web (React Native etc.) With Angular, you’d be hard-pressed to name a Google service built using it. It seems to be a framework created condescendingly for…
I’m sorry but that’s just not true. You can check this page to get a pretty extensive list of Google products made with angular https://www.madewithangular.com/categories/google/
It says AdWords is built on Angular. But I think it is built using dart version, which is very separate thing?
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Good marketing in this space is also about leading by example and eating your dog food. Facebook used React internally before releasing it. Every new web front-end at Meta is written in React. They also had a convincing story of how the runtime expands beyond the web (React Native etc.) With Angular, you’d be hard-pressed to name a Google service built using it. It seems to be a framework created condescendingly for…
The Google Cloud Console is the most notable Google service built with Angular and my experience is that's one of the best advertisements for not using Angular. If even Google engineers theoretically just offices away from the Angular team can't make a performant Angular app, who can? The Angular Team act like it's a great feature that they don't give "special" support to in-house dogfooding teams, but that just leav…
I like how people make this jab at angular without acting like Facebooks site is so god awful. If react is so great why is the Facebook site terrible?
Large companies have large company issues regardless of front end framework.
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Independent from politics: I like main much more. Shorter and better sound than master
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I’m sorry but that’s just not true. You can check this page to get a pretty extensive list of Google products made with angular https://www.madewithangular.com/categories/google/
It says AdWords is built on Angular. But I think it is built using dart version, which is very separate thing?
AdWords was built with Angular Dart
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Next.js has finally solved React's mess But I can't agree more, Angular has for its whole existence of 10+ years always been more consistent. But it's not always about tech - Facebook's Marketing > Google's Marketing ...
Good marketing in this space is also about leading by example and eating your dog food. Facebook used React internally before releasing it. Every new web front-end at Meta is written in React. They also had a convincing story of how the runtime expands beyond the web (React Native etc.) With Angular, you’d be hard-pressed to name a Google service built using it. It seems to be a framework created condescendingly for…
At ng-conf like 2-3 years ago they said that they use angular for over 2000 internal projects at google.
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It takes a few minutes to switch. Maybe a bit more to rebind all CI scripts etc in a project as large as react. There are some things that I don't fully get (slavery was never big in my country). It takes a few minutes of effort to not be an asshole (real or perceived), so I just do it rather than thinking to much about whether or not the wider population should be offended or not.
Yes, you're right, and I also do it. Doesn't mean however that I need to bury my head in the sand in topics such as this and never mention it.
You don't need to, but you might want to. It'll make life more pleasant and less angry.