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Apple Removes Flag Icons in Monterey 12.4

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Re: Apple Removes Flag Icons in Monterey 12.4

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related issue I hadn't thought of before: what happens if the flag is changed? Suppose it partly depends if the unicode description is 'flag of the country blah' or blazon-style description of what it looks like.

The Afghan flag has this exact problem now. Plus the political issue of recognizing or not the Taliban government

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Re: Apple Removes Flag Icons in Monterey 12.4

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I 100% applaud this. I've always used ABC Extended because I thought a flag in the system menu was gaudy and weirdly nationalistic. I know I live in the US and use the American English keyboard layout. Similarly, I don't need a Chinese flag every time I switch to a Chinese keyboard.

I don’t see a Chinese flag… where are you seeing this? There are a ton of different Chinese input methods and they all have a symbol which is white text on a gray background. Same as Japanese.

I am just misremembering. I turned off the input icon because it's largely unnecessary. I don't really need the icon to know I'm in pinyin, or vice-versa.

Re: Apple Removes Flag Icons in Monterey 12.4

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post #29

Flags are not the way to define a language preference. This design decision assumes 1:1 parity with flag and language which is just not true. This move makes language preferences less ambiguous or potentially less offensive and I applaud Apple for doing it.

Note that for many languages a flag is not displayed rather a symbol. Chinese languages in particular follow this (拼 for simplified pinyin, 注 for traditional zhuyin). Also Japanese never displayed a flag (あ for hiragana, ア for katakana). I think it's better to follow this convention.

Arabic as well. Loads of examples of such languages, with huge numbers of speakers. I think this is a reasonable change (and always found the colored icon in the menu bar to be gaudy anyway).

Re: Apple Removes Flag Icons in Monterey 12.4

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post #29

Flags are not the way to define a language preference. This design decision assumes 1:1 parity with flag and language which is just not true. This move makes language preferences less ambiguous or potentially less offensive and I applaud Apple for doing it.

There’s an easy way out: just make it a choice, like for the user menu.

Re: Apple Removes Flag Icons in Monterey 12.4

#67
post #7

In Ukraine this matters for a lot of people. Half if not the majority of ukrainians are russian-speaking and confusing russian language with russia is not something we like.

What I don't understand is why Apple cannot simply make this a toggle option in settings somewhere. No, it has to work one way and one way only...

There’s be two systems to maintain. But the flags aren’t that valuable, and they aren’t needed for any sort of backwards compatibility.

Re: Apple Removes Flag Icons in Monterey 12.4

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post #3

I don't really see how having "EN" instead of a US or UK or whatever flag is really going to make people happier or sadder.

Flags are powerful symbols for many people, some of which probably proudly displayed their respective one in the menu bar as a matter of virtue.

Sure - and I suppose the argument for removal is someone that needs to use "UK English" but doesn't want to see a UK flag in their menu bar ... but then why not make it a toggle?

Or I wonder if this has to do with the Taiwan flag or lack thereof.

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