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Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

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Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

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> Bitten by a shark, or snagged on a russian submarine? In all likelihood much less interesting, probably snagged in a fishing net or hit by an anchor.

Can’t rule out Russian military dolphins these days. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/27/russia-black-s...

> Global Pandemic? Check > Transnational Giga Companies controlling the world? Check > Military Dolphins? Check > Smuggling Gigabytes of Data via Implants? Not yet.

I rate the current situation as a strong 3/4 Johnny Mnemonics!

Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

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It's probably split up by wavelengths.

So if they only have specific wavelengths, how do they keep them in the pie slice of cable they own? I just realized they likely don't own a cylindrical section of it somewhere because the light has to go in and out of it, only thing that makes sense is the long pie slice.

There's no way to own a physical "slice" of fiber optic cable. The wavelengths all travel together, and there are optical splitters/combiners at each end that separate/combine the wavelengths of light. Think of them like TV and radio broadcasts. Each station broadcasts on it's own frequency (wavelength) over the shared air (fiber).

A metaphor with light would be if you had two lights, one red and one blue. If you shine them both at the same spot, you'll see purple. If you put a prism in that spot, it'll split the red and blue light back out separately. At a very high level, that's what happens with fiber optics.

Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

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When something like this happens, does the traffic get distributed on other operational fibers that have sufficient unused bandwidth or do the operators fire up some dark fibers to carry the load? Or maybe it’s both?

It depends. Generally the larger carriers and consumers of fibers have a network that is able to route around outages (fiber cuts like this are basically routine) just the same as on land. If they don't have enough, then they'll need to either reduce demand or rent some capacity from someone else.

Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

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How the hell do you fuse the ends of a massive cable like this at the bottom of the sea?!

You find the ends, pick them up, and there's a kit that can fuse the ends to your new piece. I'm not sure about the details, but I think there are repeaters on the wire that need to be added as well.

A repeater on the ocean floor? Do they run power cables to it alongside the data all the way from the coast?

Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

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You find the ends, pick them up, and there's a kit that can fuse the ends to your new piece. I'm not sure about the details, but I think there are repeaters on the wire that need to be added as well.

A repeater on the ocean floor? Do they run power cables to it alongside the data all the way from the coast?

Yes, commonly there are high-voltage cables in there.

Nowadays, for shorter runs (that are still long enough to need repeaters) there are also purely optical repeaters where instead separate fiber strands deliver light from a pump laser.

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Neither, it's shared ownership. It's similar to if you buy a house with your partner: neither of you owns specific rooms, but you own the whole thing together. There's likely agreements about which fibers (there's 8 fiber pairs in the cable) and/or how much bandwidth everyone can use, though.

Why only 8? Why don't they put like 100 in there?

Presumably because the cable would be (much) heavier and thicker.

There is some movement towards having more pairs in newer cables, e.g. the Grace Hopper will have 16 pairs, cf. https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/infrastructure/announ...

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It's probably split up by wavelengths.

So if they only have specific wavelengths, how do they keep them in the pie slice of cable they own? I just realized they likely don't own a cylindrical section of it somewhere because the light has to go in and out of it, only thing that makes sense is the long pie slice.

The light doesn't really work that way.

u/Denvercoder9 mentioned that there are 8 strands of fiber in this particular cable. Each strand can host multiple wavelengths of light, that do not really interfere with each other. There are different ways of dividing up the usable frequency range; here's a site with some examples: http://www.3coptics.com/News/11.html (Remember, light has a frequency & a wavelength. Human vision covers wavelengths from around 400 nm (nanometers, the UV end) to 700 nm (the IR end)).

The beams of laser light sent down a fiber strand have a wavelength (a central wavelength), and a width. The beam essentially needs exclusive ownership of wavelength ± width. The diagrams on the linked page show how channels are separated to give each channel a set width.

So, when an entity owns a part of a cable, they own a set of wavelengths, likely one or more contiguous blocks of wavelengths, that they can use for whatever. All owners will pay (probably based on the % of wavelengths they control) for a company to operate the cable (running the stations at each end, where the wavelengths are split out on to separate fibers for each owner). The owners will also pay for another company to do repairs as needed.

Re: Hetzner subsea fibre cut outage

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Neither, it's shared ownership. It's similar to if you buy a house with your partner: neither of you owns specific rooms, but you own the whole thing together. There's likely agreements about which fibers (there's 8 fiber pairs in the cable) and/or how much bandwidth everyone can use, though.

Why only 8? Why don't they put like 100 in there?

IIRC, it's mostly to do with power... every Xkm (100?) they need to put a power amp and have to splice 100 pairs at each point...

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How the hell do you fuse the ends of a massive cable like this at the bottom of the sea?!

You find the ends, pick them up, and there's a kit that can fuse the ends to your new piece. I'm not sure about the details, but I think there are repeaters on the wire that need to be added as well.

Do they just fuse any strand to any strand and resort everything at the end or?
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