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Re: Change the colour of grey text back to black on website using poor contrast text

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Meta-irony at its finest.

What contrast do you want? A billion to one? At some point it's excessive, right? So there's some value less than infinite that you're after. Why is your monitor's maximum contrast the right value?

A billion to one sounds reasonable to me. Now if only I could find a reasonably sized OLED panel...

Re: Change the colour of grey text back to black on website using poor contrast text

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I love the “nothing in nature is true black so don’t use #000000” argument. Correct, nothing is, and your #000000 won’t be either once it’s shown on a physical screen.

I find there's often a high degree of educated comments here on HN. But, when it comes to monitors, readability and the physics of light something happens. #000 on #fff won't burn out your retinas. :)

Monitors or anything backlit are terrible to read from for any length of time. Paper or e-ink is superior. I don't see anything wrong with lowering the contrast of text on a screen to compensate for that fact.

Re: Change the colour of grey text back to black on website using poor contrast text

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I can’t, as then I’d have to re-calibrate it again. But you can easily just increase the contrast setting on your monitor and leave sensible defaults for the rest of us :)

the shitty tn panels my workplace gives us are already maxed out in that regard. I needed to juice them in order to view a logon form.

And that’s why I replace all the panels on my laptops with proper ones, and only use monitors with good contrast ratios.

As low-budget option I can recommend the Fujitsu Siemens P17-2, it’s from 2004, available used around 20 € and has better contrast, brightness, and viewing angles than any TN panel even today.

It’s ridiculous that a monitor from 2004 is still better than anything the complainers in this thread are using today.

Re: Change the colour of grey text back to black on website using poor contrast text

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I'm sympathetic to the idea that some people need reduced contrast to read comfortably. They are in the same boat as people who need maximum contrast because of other visual impairments, most commonly focal issues. Why wouldn't people who need less contrast simply reduce the contrast on their monitors, though? It seems to me as though designing for those who need low contrast excludes those who need high contrast, bu…

> Why wouldn't people who need less contrast simply reduce the contrast on their monitors, though? Because I don't want to make everything else look worse just to lower contrast in text? And support for low contrast doesn't mean excluding others, it can just be a setting. Like Windows has been doing for a long time with its high-contrast mode. Websites and apps are increasingly adopting dark themes, next we should pu…

My beef is with letting aesthetics trump accessibility.

If a site provides a widget where contrast can be beefed up, probably part of the dark-mode / light-mode widget, that seems OK.

Re: Change the colour of grey text back to black on website using poor contrast text

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What contrast do you want? A billion to one? At some point it's excessive, right? So there's some value less than infinite that you're after. Why is your monitor's maximum contrast the right value?

When ever there are discussions about accessibility there are always voices calling for "moderation" ... does every building really need a ramp? why does every single restaurant need an accessible bathroom? do those people really need all that contrast?

Is the maximum contrast always the most accessible, for all people?

No, it isn't. This is not like a wheelchair ramp.

Re: Change the colour of grey text back to black on website using poor contrast text

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I love the “nothing in nature is true black so don’t use #000000” argument. Correct, nothing is, and your #000000 won’t be either once it’s shown on a physical screen.

> nothing in nature is true black so don’t use #000000” argument.l

this comment reminds of the statement made by Jobs about the round corners in the physical world.

Re: Change the colour of grey text back to black on website using poor contrast text

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What contrast do you want? A billion to one? At some point it's excessive, right? So there's some value less than infinite that you're after. Why is your monitor's maximum contrast the right value?

When ever there are discussions about accessibility there are always voices calling for "moderation" ... does every building really need a ramp? why does every single restaurant need an accessible bathroom? do those people really need all that contrast?

...and in response to your initial two questions, however rhetorical they may have been: yes, every building needs a ramp and every restaurant needs an accessible bathroom. You may be fortunate enough never to need the second one, but you likely hope to live long enough to need the first. (I needed ramps long before age would’ve normally dictated it — stuff happens — so I tend to get a bit perturbed when people wonder about the necessity of ramps.)

Re: Change the colour of grey text back to black on website using poor contrast text

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I find there's often a high degree of educated comments here on HN. But, when it comes to monitors, readability and the physics of light something happens. #000 on #fff won't burn out your retinas. :)

> #000 on #fff won't burn out your retinas. :) There’s a massive difference between the contrast of that outdoors on a shitty panel (where you’re lucky to get 5:1 contrast) and indoors in a light-controlled environment (where 200:1 contrast is easily reached). And yes, that 200:1 contrast can get painful, especially if you’ve got astigmatism.

I have astigmatism. Contrast isn't an issue. Brightness might be.

There are knobs for these on most displays.

Re: Change the colour of grey text back to black on website using poor contrast text

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I recommend people with similar interests take a look at uBlock's filter language (yes, the ad blocker). It's a short and shallow learning curve until you can inject your personal CSS into webpages, and incrementally tweak them. Two small examples: "Show all text on the internet as black" *##*:style(color: black !important) "Show comment text on HN as bold" ycombinator.com##.comment:style(font-weight: bold !important…

If you want to inject CSS, use a "user styles" manager like Stylus. There's almost no learning curve if you know CSS.

You can write entire sheets for all pages, multiple or single domains. For example to make HN legible (basic text, spacing and contrast):

    @-moz-document domain("ycombinator.com") {
        :root {
            --font-size: 1.2rem;
            --text-color: #333;
        }
        .comment {
            font-size: var(--font-size);
            line-height: 1.5;
        }
        body {
            font-family: sans-serif !important;
            font-size: 100%;
        }
        .comhead a:link,
        .subtext a:visited,
        .c00,
        .c00 a:link,
        td {
            color: #333;
            font-size: var(--font-size);
        }
        td {
            background-color: transparent;
        }
}

(Personally I remove all fading from downvoted comments as well, they're unreadable)

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpe... https://userstyles.org/

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