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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by DeathArrow »

coldtea wrote: post #47

> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…

I'm wondering what's the battery life and power usage under Linux. For many laptops this is a problem.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by orangeoxidation »

nrp wrote: post #53
coldtea wrote: post #47

> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…

To be fair to Linux on the desktop, one of the major challenges is synchronization between new hardware platforms (12th Gen Intel Core), and distro cycles (22.04). We fully expect that the next point release of 22.04 will have a kernel that works well out of the box with 12th Gen. Fedora seems to more consistently be able to go out with more recent kernels. Fedora 36 with 5.17.6 works smoothly.

Are distros doing too much customization?

The kernel is famously backward compatible, upgrading during a distro cycle shouldn't be a problem. Yet fedora doing so is somehow exceptional.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by zucker42 »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Why is the SN750/SN850 the default SSD, given it has relatively high power consumption[1] and separately is there any reason to believe that building a DIY version with a different SSD wouldn't work?

[1] https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-black-sn850-m-2-nvme...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by nrp »

motiejus wrote: post #37

Any photos of how the ethernet expansion card will look like while plugged in? Looks like it's bigger than the expansion slot. I intend to keep it there permanently, which brings questions about durability, especially when carrying the laptop around.

It is oversized, but robust enough to keep installed (I have been for the last few months dogfooding it). We'll add more photos of it installed to the product page for it before we open sales on it to make sure folks know what they are getting into before buying.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by jklinger410 »

coldtea wrote: post #47

> We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 36 works fantastically well out of the box, with full hardware functionality including WiFi and fingerprint reader support. Ubuntu 22.04 also works great after applying a couple of workarounds, and we’re working to eliminate that need. This disclaimer -from a company that picks their hw components none the less- is cold water to Linux…

Had this issue with System76, which offers NVIDIA cards that suck on Linux, and various hardware that requires firmware not in the linux kernel or anywhere else, where you have to install and update that firmware separately (like windows).

All they make are Linux computers and they couldn't/didn't/wouldn't for some reason produce a laptop that just natively worked.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by smallerfish »

coldtea wrote: post #54
throw93232 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is laptop, not desktop ;)

Desktop Linux was historically meant as opposed to server. Plus, most actual desk tops today feature laptops. So still a desktop use case: it's just not in "tower" or "mini-tower" or "all-in-one" form.

Linux on a desktop is really quite rock solid (caveat assuming you do research if you are too cutting edge on hardware). Linux in laptops are not as good on battery life and 4k external monitor support has issues (though less so if wayland works on your hardware). The two workarounds they mention for Ubuntu on their page are adding a kernel option to improve suspend battery life, and adding a line in the alsa conf to enable the driver that recognizes the microphone jack they're using...you can hardly extrapolate from those to "desktop linux is teh pits".
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