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Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by TimSchumann »

egeozcan wrote: post #55
TimSchumann wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really think a 7 day fast should be 'mandatory reading' as far as life experience goes. You learn a lot about yourself. Also echo the mental clarity side of fasting. The weight loss was great, but how I felt was even better. The crazy thing is, if you can get to 7 days, anything past that is just mental and you can go as long as you have the body fat to sustain the fast, provided you're keeping an eye on your elect…

I'm not sure if starting something like a 7-day fast without medical supervision is a good idea, and I'm also not sure if any medical professional would allow you to do that, just thinking out loud. Don't you think it's too dangerous to name it essential life experience and recommend it to random people on the internet? I'm really asking, I'm not knowledgeable about this at all, and my questions stem from pure gut fe…

I feel 100% confident, based on my experience, in saying that almost any healthy adult has the ability to fast for 7 days without any negative consequences to their short term or long term health. In fact, I'd say there's only positives.

Obviously if you feel differently, talk with your doctor. I am not a doctor, and this is not medical advice. I thought that went without saying on the internet, but just to be extra careful, there it is.

Couple of caveats in the almost. Pregnancy, Eating Disorders, Elite Athletes functioning at under 5% bodyfat, and again the key word being _healthy_ here. If you have any kind of condition, disorder, disease, etc. obviously talk to a medical professional.

Most people just don't have the desire to do it, and if you're not used to fasting and eating a standard diet, the first few days will make you feel terrible both physically and mentally. Just like anything, it gets easier with practice.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by TimSchumann »

milchek wrote: post #59
egeozcan wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if starting something like a 7-day fast without medical supervision is a good idea, and I'm also not sure if any medical professional would allow you to do that, just thinking out loud. Don't you think it's too dangerous to name it essential life experience and recommend it to random people on the internet? I'm really asking, I'm not knowledgeable about this at all, and my questions stem from pure gut fe…

I also question if 7 days is safe for most. I don't recall exactly when and a quick search now yields a lot of random gimmicky fasting product sales sites with blog posts written to generate traffic that aren't scientific enough, but I do recall that there is a point (after 72 hours?) where your body starts breaking down muscle and that prolonged fasting is dangerous as your organs get hit next? Perhaps someone here…

I lost zero noticeable lean muscle mass on my 60 day fast, at least no more than I would have sitting on the couch doing nothing.

There's just not a metabolic pathway for breaking down muscle/organ tissue for energy when you have adequate fat stores. We would have died off as a species a long time ago if that were the case.

In the grand scheme of things, if you have the body fat, 7 days is nothing for a fast.

Edit: To those asking, yes. I fasted for 60 days, water and electrolytes, no calories.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by adrianN »

SemanticStrengh wrote: post #42
wwarek wrote: post #39

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60 days as I understood - first 30 days just water and then the next 30 days water with electrolytes

This guy should be dead, his body should have digested himself. How can someone not eat anything by his own will for more than a few days ? (5-7 max) you should pass out. Also in the case that were true, let me be clear: No food intake for multiple days is extremely dangerous for your health, it will upregulate autophagy, apoptosis and will break your mitochondria bioenegetics which will explode your oxidative stress…

It depends on how much fat you have. The body is relatively good at living on stored fat for a while. You need to supplement things that aren't stored, like vitamins and electrolytes and you'd better do it under medical supervision. If you fast long enough you also need some amino acids.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by SemanticStrengh »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #58
SemanticStrengh wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This guy should be dead, his body should have digested himself. How can someone not eat anything by his own will for more than a few days ? (5-7 max) you should pass out. Also in the case that were true, let me be clear: No food intake for multiple days is extremely dangerous for your health, it will upregulate autophagy, apoptosis and will break your mitochondria bioenegetics which will explode your oxidative stress…

18days here and would carried on but had to break it for other reasons. Glutathione possibly needs to be included as this will get low and Choline or Carnitine to remove the brain fog that occurred. Averaged 18kg weight loss over the 18days, never felt so good in my life, like being a teenage male ramped up on Testosterone again, amazingly easy to fall asleep, excellent quality of sleep, vivid dreams which are recall…

This is a very complex topic and Glutathione or NAC has a half life of only ~5 hours. Had I to do it I would take ALCAR 2000MG but still you are playing with a lot of unknowns phamarcologically speaking. As i said a lab test of bioenergetics level, oxidative stress and apotosis are needed to bring confidence.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by SemanticStrengh »

adrianN wrote: post #63
SemanticStrengh wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This guy should be dead, his body should have digested himself. How can someone not eat anything by his own will for more than a few days ? (5-7 max) you should pass out. Also in the case that were true, let me be clear: No food intake for multiple days is extremely dangerous for your health, it will upregulate autophagy, apoptosis and will break your mitochondria bioenegetics which will explode your oxidative stress…

It depends on how much fat you have. The body is relatively good at living on stored fat for a while. You need to supplement things that aren't stored, like vitamins and electrolytes and you'd better do it under medical supervision. If you fast long enough you also need some amino acids.

You have zero idea of the propensity of hidden damages

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by seer »

asar wrote: post #22

It's such a shame that there isn't more research in this area. There are so many seemingly wondrous effects on human health that would need thourugh testing. Apart from physiological benefits though, the mental aspect of fasting from my own experience can be quite exciting as well. A 7 day fast was the longest I did so far, but 72h really hit the sweet spot for me. It was like a journey through my mind, I got challen…

While I’ve done similar fasting myself, with the same wondrous effects you describe, I want to point out that it seems this might be a lot harder to do for young women (in child bearing age). My partner tried to replicate what I did since I was hyping it so much, and failed miserably. Later we learned that the female body reacts much more violently to the lack of calories than male ones, and its a lot harder for them. Or maybe she had other compounding factors.

While she couldn’t do the several day fast, we found out that it was quite feasible to do the “one meal per day” thing, which shares a lot of the health benefits, and its a lot more forgiving.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by chronogram »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #58
SemanticStrengh wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This guy should be dead, his body should have digested himself. How can someone not eat anything by his own will for more than a few days ? (5-7 max) you should pass out. Also in the case that were true, let me be clear: No food intake for multiple days is extremely dangerous for your health, it will upregulate autophagy, apoptosis and will break your mitochondria bioenegetics which will explode your oxidative stress…

18days here and would carried on but had to break it for other reasons. Glutathione possibly needs to be included as this will get low and Choline or Carnitine to remove the brain fog that occurred. Averaged 18kg weight loss over the 18days, never felt so good in my life, like being a teenage male ramped up on Testosterone again, amazingly easy to fall asleep, excellent quality of sleep, vivid dreams which are recall…

Most supermarkets do sell demiwater (distilled/deionised), which is great for chemistry or cleaning of electrical components, as well as having a standard base (with mineral packets) for brewing coffee or beer. I would definitely not drink it, especially not without heavy supplementation of minerals, else you lose more minerals from your water circulation than the 0 that you gain.

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by CamelRocketFish »

TimSchumann wrote: post #62
milchek wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also question if 7 days is safe for most. I don't recall exactly when and a quick search now yields a lot of random gimmicky fasting product sales sites with blog posts written to generate traffic that aren't scientific enough, but I do recall that there is a point (after 72 hours?) where your body starts breaking down muscle and that prolonged fasting is dangerous as your organs get hit next? Perhaps someone here…

I lost zero noticeable lean muscle mass on my 60 day fast, at least no more than I would have sitting on the couch doing nothing. There's just not a metabolic pathway for breaking down muscle/organ tissue for energy when you have adequate fat stores. We would have died off as a species a long time ago if that were the case. In the grand scheme of things, if you have the body fat, 7 days is nothing for a fast. Edit: T…

When you say 60 day fast, are you saying you didn’t eat for 60 days and just drank water?

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by mahathu »

seer wrote: post #66
asar wrote: post #22

It's such a shame that there isn't more research in this area. There are so many seemingly wondrous effects on human health that would need thourugh testing. Apart from physiological benefits though, the mental aspect of fasting from my own experience can be quite exciting as well. A 7 day fast was the longest I did so far, but 72h really hit the sweet spot for me. It was like a journey through my mind, I got challen…

While I’ve done similar fasting myself, with the same wondrous effects you describe, I want to point out that it seems this might be a lot harder to do for young women (in child bearing age). My partner tried to replicate what I did since I was hyping it so much, and failed miserably. Later we learned that the female body reacts much more violently to the lack of calories than male ones, and its a lot harder for them…

I'm kind of doing "one meal per day" right now, not because I'm fasting on purpose but just because I don't enjoy eating (or cooking) more than once in a day. I mean I like to cook but doing it for over an hour every day just becomes a chore.

I was under the impression that this was really unhealthy though. My BMI is 19 so I'm close to being underweight. Isn't this unhealthy? Do people fast and not lose weight?

Re: Fasting boosts stem cells’ regenerative capacity (2018)

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Post by SapporoChris »

milchek wrote: post #59
egeozcan wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if starting something like a 7-day fast without medical supervision is a good idea, and I'm also not sure if any medical professional would allow you to do that, just thinking out loud. Don't you think it's too dangerous to name it essential life experience and recommend it to random people on the internet? I'm really asking, I'm not knowledgeable about this at all, and my questions stem from pure gut fe…

I also question if 7 days is safe for most. I don't recall exactly when and a quick search now yields a lot of random gimmicky fasting product sales sites with blog posts written to generate traffic that aren't scientific enough, but I do recall that there is a point (after 72 hours?) where your body starts breaking down muscle and that prolonged fasting is dangerous as your organs get hit next? Perhaps someone here…

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/

"A 27-year-old male patient fasted under supervision for 382 days and has subsequently maintained his normal weight."

By comparison 7 days is trivial. More to the point, a 7 day fast with medical supervision should be safe, if it is not, the supervisor will advise against it.

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