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When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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It seems you have posted the wrong link because there isn't really an apology?

> We were wrong. As such, we dedicate this experimental renderer to the community as an olive branch. We know we have so much more to learn, but we hope that you will accept our apology and understand we’re humans behind this product with a capability and willingness to learn from our past mistakes. What more really needs to be said? Feels like one of those times where if everyone just sat around at a pub with a beer…

Dear X, we are sorry for Y

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We were wrong. As such, we dedicate this experimental renderer to the community as an olive branch. We know we have so much more to learn, but we hope that you will accept our apology and understand we’re humans behind this product with a capability and willingness to learn from our past mistakes. What more really needs to be said? Feels like one of those times where if everyone just sat around at a pub with a beer…

I'm being facetious here. As far as apologies go that's a pretty weak attempt.

Heh, my bad! This is the problem with text based conversation between strangers :).

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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I really wonder why OSS developers often have so big ego issues. I mean I get it, attribution is nice and all, but trying to force attribution for evey small idea you might have had in your life by trying to rally the public against "the evil corporate enemy"? Really? How low can you sink

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the GitHub commenter in question had made this statement: > It really seems like most of the code in the parser/renderer part of the terminal is unnecessary and just slows things down. What this code needs to do is extremely simple and it seems like it has been massively overcomplicated. I think they deserved a better response from Microsoft, but I also probably would not have responded favorably to that…

> I also probably would not have responded favorably to that wording – irrespective of if they were correct. Why not? I see nothing wrong with this sort of feedback. It's blunt, but constructive.

It does seem vague though. It’s almost akin to saying “I could’ve done this in half the code”. Well add your PR then.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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I blame the disagreement on online communications. Can you imagine this conflict lasting this long if these guys had been talking about it in person over coffee? They would probably behave with much more restraint and respect for each other.

Careful, that's starting to sound like an example of a downside to remote work, which is a touchy topic these days...

idk, in person where I work we'd still have these discussions online.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

> except to note that it was not an apology at all. Ctrl-F there doesn't show a single "sorry" in the text. Or "Casey" for that matter. Why is it so difficult to say: "Casey, we are sorry, you were right and we were mistaken.". Instead there is a nebulous ~extended a branch to community and hope to accept our apology~ (paraphrasing) without offering an apology in the first place.

try looking for the word "apology"

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> We know we have so much more to learn, but we hope that you will accept our apology and understand we’re humans behind this product with a capability and willingness to learn from our past mistakes.

If someone said that to me, I would say "oh ok, no problem dude" and move on with my life. Not even defending the microsoft guy, I have zero skin in the game and couldn't care less. but people being weirdly pedantic about which words do and do not constitute an apology just because the source is Evil Microsoft Guy.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems you have posted the wrong link because there isn't really an apology?

> We were wrong. As such, we dedicate this experimental renderer to the community as an olive branch. We know we have so much more to learn, but we hope that you will accept our apology and understand we’re humans behind this product with a capability and willingness to learn from our past mistakes. What more really needs to be said? Feels like one of those times where if everyone just sat around at a pub with a beer…

Addressing the person you are apologizing to. I can understand if you had a draft with the person and a lawyer told you to remove it.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the GitHub commenter in question had made this statement: > It really seems like most of the code in the parser/renderer part of the terminal is unnecessary and just slows things down. What this code needs to do is extremely simple and it seems like it has been massively overcomplicated. I think they deserved a better response from Microsoft, but I also probably would not have responded favorably to that…

> I also probably would not have responded favorably to that wording – irrespective of if they were correct. Why not? I see nothing wrong with this sort of feedback. It's blunt, but constructive.

To me this feels like a case of of the team feeling like it's "their code" and not "the company's code". I say this coming from someone who still struggles with that concept myself. It's really easy to get defensive when you can't divorce yourself from ownership.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Look at the settings menu, it looks like a setting menu from iOS, huge controls, everything is a list, endless scrolling No wonder why they didn't know what they were doing So that kind of behavior doesn't surprise me What's even more surprising is it's the same for everything windows related, including windows 11, performance issues all over the place, nobody acknowledge it, and whenever they face criticism and comp…

OS dev is dead everywhere.
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