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Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by jeroenhd »

tobyjsullivan wrote: post #36
hallway_monitor wrote: post #4

Yes it is silly. The article actually ends with some useful tips: As a user, you can force allow zooming: In Firefox find the settings, select “Accessibility” and activate “Zoom on all website” In Chrome find the settings, select “Accessibility” and check “Force enable zoom”

I kind of wish the author had lead with this instead of burying it at the bottom. For whatever reach the article gets, this is the part that's going to offer value to readers (it seems unlikely this article will sway a significant number of web developers to change their habits).

The goal isn't to help the readers though, it's to convince web developers to fix their websites.

Anyone can find the secret override setting if they're motivated, but that's not a solution to the problem.

I know web developers don't care, but they're still the ones that can actually solve the problem. It's possible that like many other abused web features, Google will eventually change the setting for this feature from "override website zoom settings" to "respect website preferences for zooming" with "off" as a default.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by Ansil849 »

I don't understand why the functionality exists for websites to dictate how users can and cannot view a page in the first place. This is like if you were reading a book that detected if you were trying to use a magnifying glass and immediately caused a glare to appear to prevent you from being able to read it. It is fucked up.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by c-fe »

rootusrootus wrote: post #26

100% agree. I'd like to be able to tell mobile Safari to just ignore that setting. Maybe there's a way and I missed it. Wouldn't be surprised, these old eyeballs aren't what they used to be and that exactly why I want zoom to always work. Some of us actually need it. Heck, back when I bought my mother her first iPad, this was the whole reason. She was getting eye surgery and wouldn't be able to see well, and would be…

Im on mobile safari on an iphone and i can zoom on all the pages where you are not supposed to zoom

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by runnerup »

emteycz wrote: post #5
renewiltord wrote: post #3

Looks like a user agent concern.

No. Sometimes it's good to disable zoom (e. g. in web apps that function as a big canvas, like Figma). Pages should use the feature correctly. People shouldn't have to fiddle with browser settings just because someone can't CSS properly.

I agree with the grandparent. While I believe it’s irresponsible for web developers to inappropriately lock zoom…I also believe it’s grossly irresponsible for the browser to not provide an override for this.

One of the worst offenses for me is when the website dynamically resizes everything so that zoom “works” but a split second later everything goes back the way it was. I would also like browsers to have a quick/accessible workaround for that behavior too.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by rootusrootus »

jraph wrote: post #60
nightski wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is reality. There might be some truth to it, but in my opinion the real problem is the platform itself. I'm going to blame it on browsers and web standards. The web was not designed with accessibility as default. Instead it is a significant amount of work to make things accessible. Every project incurs huge cost in order to achieve it. I truly believe from an accessibility standpoint the web is sim…

What? It seems to me the web is accessible by default. Write a plain old HTML page and everybody should be able to read it (assuming they have a computer to open it or a printed version). People go out of their ways to mess this up by using fancy colors, fancy web fonts, messed up JS (frameworks), non standard components because it's cooler, disabling outlines, and so on. Do you have examples where the Web is not acc…

Yeah I agree. A plain old web page is rarely a problem. Ctrl-plus-plus-plus-plus however many times I need it, and I'm good. It's always 'modern' web pages that insist on fighting me.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by jeroenhd »

rmetzler wrote: post #51

While we are at it: please stop changing the right mouse button in my browser. I‘m looking at you MS Teams. If you want to have context menus in your app, that’s ok, but please don’t put them in the browser. You break important use cases for me and other people.

Firefox has an override for that, shift+right mouse should ignore the click handlers and show the browser context menu. This is something I really miss in other browsers, especially the ones that decide that they know better than me about how things like copy/paste are supposed to work.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Post by PaulHoule »

akersten wrote: post #52
nightski wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is reality. There might be some truth to it, but in my opinion the real problem is the platform itself. I'm going to blame it on browsers and web standards. The web was not designed with accessibility as default. Instead it is a significant amount of work to make things accessible. Every project incurs huge cost in order to achieve it. I truly believe from an accessibility standpoint the web is sim…

> The web was not designed with accessibility as default. Instead it is a significant amount of work to make things accessible. Every project incurs huge cost in order to achieve it. This has got to be satire right? HTML is accessible by default , it's your horrible JS SPA frameworks that break thid. See [0] [0]: https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

For my day job I put a lot of effort into making an SPA accessible but it is absolutely important to the business because our customers demand it.

I haven't perceived maintaining accessibility to be a big burden in the long term.

Interestingly the accessibility project forced me to raise my game on CSS/HTML, graphic design, etc. and probably had a bigger impact on my side projects than it did on my work.

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