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Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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We need the transcontinental pipeline to push water to where it needs to be. Or agriculture needs to move to where the water is.

I don't forsee a transcontinental water pipe going over well. I, for one, refuse to subsidize people who want to live in a dessert with my own water table. People should live in areas that can support human life.

Grow your own food then.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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CA water use is 50% environment, 40% agriculture, 10% residential. Maybe we should focus on reducing that 50%? It was nice and all when we had plenty of water to waste but it’s time to revisit those policies. https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/

Is this a joke comment? Or is this really what the average American thinks?

Don't bother with HN comments for anything other than tech and startups, and even then you should be suspicious. It's full of privileged tech bros pushing shitty solutions to the wrong problems.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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In Iowa we have the opposite problem too much rain. We are in the last week to plant corn before seeing reduced yields.

We need the transcontinental pipeline to push water to where it needs to be. Or agriculture needs to move to where the water is.

A transcontinental I think is feasible, but only if we could do filtering at a massive scale.

Taking raw water from one watershed to another is an environmental disaster.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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Isn't there a third option that involves building serious infrastructure to pipe water down from the Northwest? Of course you can't build things in America anymore so that's probably off the table.

Ecologically devastate the Pacific Northwest so we can continue to be wasteful with water is a heck of a take.

Thirsty folks from California and the Southwest wanting more water to be piped in to feed their water intensive crops and lawns in the desert. I'm sure that'll go down well in outlying regions. Maybe change in meteorological patterns and population levels hitting critical mass without the attendant infrastructure are bad for water levels. Aquifers are depleted. Rainfall is reduced. There's no more snowmelt to bank on as that savings account has been drained. Wildfires, drought, and rising sea levels will displace significant numbers of people. Agriculture will shift north and east. I think California peaked a few years ago.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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We need to plant new forests. We need old growth / primaeval forests, and a lot of them. Our curent forest practices are laughable.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKL40aBg-7E - The Biotic Pump] [https://forestecosyst.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s406... - The enduring link between forest cover and rainfall: a historical perspective on science and policy discussions] [https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/amazon-lo... - Amazon Losing "Flying Rivers," Ability to Curb Warming]

If even Amazon rainforest can now start losing its ability to retain/produce rain due to deforestation (animal agriculture, hello again), how can our scattered and battered patches of trees we call forests have any meaningful ability to save/enhance the water cycle?

We need more forests, more continuous forests, large forests, new rainforests ... that's the only way.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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It's not unprecedented. It's been a steady state that they have pretended was not a steady state. They are not "in a drought". They say drought in a way that implies that it is a temporary state that may return to a different, normal state. But it will not. They have reached a new normal of a lower water level. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-05-06/editorial-t... was a great editorial on this from last yea…

CA water use is 50% environment, 40% agriculture, 10% residential. Maybe we should focus on reducing that 50%? It was nice and all when we had plenty of water to waste but it’s time to revisit those policies. https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/

Even within the already small residential slice, regulations are weird. When my parents lived in the LA area, they had a large swimming pool and an irrigated lawn but were required to have ultra low flush toilets. The amount of water saved by those toilets (which often required multiple flushes to empty the bowl of waste) paled in comparison with the government approved swimming pool and sprinkler systems.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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In Iowa we have the opposite problem too much rain. We are in the last week to plant corn before seeing reduced yields.

We need the transcontinental pipeline to push water to where it needs to be. Or agriculture needs to move to where the water is.

Too much rain is bad for many crops. Better to move the water

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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It's not unprecedented. It's been a steady state that they have pretended was not a steady state. They are not "in a drought". They say drought in a way that implies that it is a temporary state that may return to a different, normal state. But it will not. They have reached a new normal of a lower water level. https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-05-06/editorial-t... was a great editorial on this from last yea…

It appears that the situation in Arizona is somewhat different, with there being competition for how the land is used (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/03/arizona-farmers-are-slammed-...).

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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As a California resident I’m slowly mentally preparing myself to gtfo this state. Not only are the politics stupid af here, so are the people. Ultimately, they elect the politicians into power.

It’s sad and pathetic watching the populace make poor decisions. As soon as it becomes untenable to live here I’m out.

The politicians have take advantage of people who are stretched to the max as it is to swoon them with words while making underhand deals. Imo.

Re: Nearly all of the Western USA is in drought and it's not even summer yet

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I don't forsee a transcontinental water pipe going over well. I, for one, refuse to subsidize people who want to live in a dessert with my own water table. People should live in areas that can support human life.

Grow your own food then.

I do have a sizeable garden, and get most of my meat / produce from local farms. I think the only thing I buy from California is pistachios.
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