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Garmin Vivoactive 4s ticks all the boxes that you mention
Are they community-programmable? SDK, etc ?
https://www.espruino.com/Bangle.js2 seems to be the closest to open and well finished at the same time.
The PalmOS powered wristwatch from Fossil
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#62Pebble shutdown almost 8 years ago now and there does still not to be a replacement or alternative that can: last up to a week of battery life, do basic things like allow you to get and read notifications, and be a watch.
TicWatch Pro (I do not own it) has a 2nd layer screen that uses very little power and can last many days. However the watch is too big for my taste, but always on is a must.
I purchased a refurbished Samsung Galaxy 42mm. I can last well into 1.5 days without charging (it usually gets topped off). The newer Samsungs can barely last a day.
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#63When I read articles like this one I always have to think about companies like Apple and Tesla. Apple didn't invent smartphones or touchscreens but they started the revolution. Tesla didn't invent EVs but started the revolution. What they have in common is that they pick the best of existing technologies and combine that into a product that is ahead of the competition. They don't invent new things but invent better t…
That's hard to read for a (once) die hard Pebble fan ... but it is also true.
It's also true that sometimes great products just fail for whatever reason.
Just like Apple and Tesla sometimes have products that just fail to become big.
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Garmin Vivoactive 4s ticks all the boxes that you mention
Are they community-programmable? SDK, etc ?
There is a SDK that looks quite decent:
https://developer.garmin.com/connect-iq/sdk/
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#65When I read articles like this one I always have to think about companies like Apple and Tesla. Apple didn't invent smartphones or touchscreens but they started the revolution. Tesla didn't invent EVs but started the revolution. What they have in common is that they pick the best of existing technologies and combine that into a product that is ahead of the competition. They don't invent new things but invent better t…
It's largely about timing. the iPhone didn't come out until wifi and cellular data had become widely available. Even today, a modern smartphone is a pretty boring device if you put it in airplane mode.
In about 2002, I had a Handspring Visor Prism, running PalmOS. I bought the VisorPhone, which was a cellular phone add-on that plugged into the back. It was somewhat ungainly, and didn't work well as a voice phone. It also had a separate battery, so you had to charge it on its own. I could use it as a cellular modem, but there wasn't a good practical use case for it, because there were only half-baked web browsers and few apps that used data. You could dial in to your desktop computer over the modem and sync remotely. It was fairly useless, but was the early precursor of what eventually became the Treo, and showed that the combination of cell phone and PDA was a good idea.
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I enjoyed my Pebble but most Garmins have all that and a whole lot more.
Do you have one? From the pictures of them the screens seem really small and therefor not really apt for more "finnicky" things like reading mails, planning routes etc.
I know someone who has one. It's surprisingly good and can display a few lines of text at once. It's not as big as the pebble but it seems like enough.
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It's largely about timing. the iPhone didn't come out until wifi and cellular data had become widely available. Even today, a modern smartphone is a pretty boring device if you put it in airplane mode.
Cellular data was technically widely available for years before iPhones (see e.g. GPRS for the tech, adopted in 2000), albeit very expensive. Apple changed that. They negotiated a special contract with AT&T and for a year or so the first iPhone was the only phone in the US with unlimited data plan.
I had unlimited 3G data on a phone on AT&T's network in 2006, and it was even cheaper than the special iPhone data plan. They didn't recognize my phone's IMEI as a "smart phone" or PDA despite running Symbian so adding unlimited data was $15/mo. Unlimited data on a smart phone or PDA was $30/mo additional on the line. It was there, it just wasn't popular.
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#68When I read articles like this one I always have to think about companies like Apple and Tesla. Apple didn't invent smartphones or touchscreens but they started the revolution. Tesla didn't invent EVs but started the revolution. What they have in common is that they pick the best of existing technologies and combine that into a product that is ahead of the competition. They don't invent new things but invent better t…
I think they didn't start anything, rather, they jumped in to create a tipping point.
> I think they didn't start anything, rather, they jumped in to create a tipping point.
To me this trivializes what Apple did, as if companies could just "create a tipping point" if only they liked money. I understand that from today's vantage point, what Apple did seems inevitable. At the time, it was a "bet the farm" move by a company which had never made a smartphone before.
> Apple didn't invent smartphones…
This is like saying "the Manhattan Project didn't invent atomic bombs". It's technically true, but doesn't capture the world-changing effects of the accomplishment.
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I ordered a Bip U, they just sent me a Bip U Pro for the same price stating it is better and the Bip U is discontinued. I cried a little because the Pro has an lcd screen. Are there really so little people that want a Pebble like experience? BTW TBH I don’t really like Amazfit/Xiaomi, their terms tell you they can get basically all your data. With Pebble I felt a sort of trust, which I also have with Apple (but sleep…
that's not really Bip though, only original Bip, Bip S and Bip Lite have transreflective displays with battery life in 4+ weeks and display readable in sunlight, any other Bip is just regular power hungry watch. Bip U has already just regular TFT display with poor battery life, maybe a better readability than OLED, but not comparable with transreflective displays and their battery life. As you said you can use Gadget…
Oh yes, you are right, I ordered a Bip S, apologies.
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It's largely about timing. the iPhone didn't come out until wifi and cellular data had become widely available. Even today, a modern smartphone is a pretty boring device if you put it in airplane mode.
Cellular data was technically widely available for years before iPhones (see e.g. GPRS for the tech, adopted in 2000), albeit very expensive. Apple changed that. They negotiated a special contract with AT&T and for a year or so the first iPhone was the only phone in the US with unlimited data plan.
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