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Re: Netflix layoffs have started

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Post by arrakis2021 »

truffdog wrote: post #40
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That they showed by sexually exploiting children in the filming. There is no excusing this - forget about the 'message' - one is watching children in sexually explicit situations and trying to say 'the artistic direction excuses it.' I think I'm going to sit far far far on the other side of the overton window.

This is a pretty standard film criticism- you can't make a movie about something bad without glorifying it. Scorcese comes in for that a lot, Fight Club, people reading or watching Liar's Poker and feeling inspired, the list goes on.

This is not the same. Nobody actually gets their face broken in fight club, and there are no actual murders filmed in Goodfellas.

Cuties exploits children on camera in an attempt to tell a story about child exploitation.

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Post by guiambros »

erguiqewrugi wrote: post #45
lampshades wrote: post #2

Interesting that they're laying off writers seeing as the American public has been pretty unhappy with Netflix quality (whether the actual content or the idealogical pushes). I know a lot of people personally that cancelled their Netflix accounts after Cuties and even more for similar reasons as time continued on. I wonder how much of their subscriber-ship was impacted due to things like this and if it's a non-minor…

I am virtually certain you have not watched Mignonnes . It is really quite good, and treats its subject matter with care. You have fallen for propaganda. Just watch it. It isn't long and I promise you won't wind up scarred for life. If you hate it, at least you will have come to that decision yourself. Until you watch the film, I couldn't possibly care what you have to say about it.

For anyone confused by the comment, Mignonnes is the original name of Cuties [1] in French. I haven't watched it, so I don't have an opinion, but the trailer [2] seems pretty okay-ish. I you don't like the move, hit dislike and move on. Not sure why the whole "#cancelnetflix" drama.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0O7lLe4SmA

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuties

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Post by claudiawerner »

arrakis2021 wrote: post #60
claudiawerner wrote: post #55

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I'm curious by what standard the film's production sexually exploited the actors, and it's a serious accusation. On first approximation, having watched the film and due to the fact nobody has been prosecuted by and government for the film, I'm inclined to disagree. Anorher commenter in the thread called it 'child pornography', which is an even wilder claim, from a legal or moral perspective.

The exploitation is on and off camera. How many audition tapes did they go through in order to choose those 5 girls? 50? 100? Someone sat there and watched dozens of half-nude 11 year old girls twerking on camera. This is disturbing to me. If it isn’t to you then i don’t know what to say.

You're making an assumption that the actresses are chosen on whether or not they can twerk, and then an assumption that the producers of the show (or the audience) see it with a pedophilic gaze. Are parents who read shop catalogues showing children in underwear pedophiles, or looking at the image in that way? How about the people who take the photos?

I really can't see why it would be disturbing, unless the person watching is doing so in service of a pedophilic desire - and you still have to prove that.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

lampshades wrote: post #2

Interesting that they're laying off writers seeing as the American public has been pretty unhappy with Netflix quality (whether the actual content or the idealogical pushes). I know a lot of people personally that cancelled their Netflix accounts after Cuties and even more for similar reasons as time continued on. I wonder how much of their subscriber-ship was impacted due to things like this and if it's a non-minor…

I canceled and encouraged people to cancel[1] after The Closer was released. I will continue to encourage people to cancel when they mention Netflix content as a way to demonstrate allyship. It is a small act of protest anyone can do in just five minutes.

1. https://www.netflix.com/cancelplan

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Post by emerged »

JBits wrote: post #44
WisNorCan wrote: post #27

The most perplexing thing about Netflix is that even though they have a reputation for hiring the best, I can’t think of a single way that the experience is better than Disney, HBO or Apple TV. And this is after 25 years of investing in technology.

For me, Netflix's UI works pretty well while the Disney+ UI is an exercise in frustration. With Disney+, watching the credits required clicking on just the right bit and there's no obvious way to go from the episode itself to the episode list.

Hulu is the worst of all IMO. Then you pay to remove ads to discover oh that’s not all ads. It’s some particular subset of ads.

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Post by djohnston »

WisNorCan wrote: post #49
dehrmann wrote: post #30

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Don't forget that Netflix was early to the streaming game. The others likely hired a few key Netflix people on the tech side to avoid having to relearn their lessons. The others (except for Apple) were also earlier to the content space, so their back catalogs are better.

That is true. But you would expect that they would have found something really substantive to show after 25 years of investing in technology. I am not sure what the lesson is. But something seems to have gone really wrong for Netflix. Not just on the content side, but also with their technology investments.

I disagree, their tech put them into the spotlight, they never had content. In the streaming industry content can't be copied or replicated as easy as years-old technology.

My point is they could never get this far without their tech edge but it won't keep them afloat in the copyright-laden world we inhabit.

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Post by version_five »

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #59
version_five wrote: post #9

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Anecdotally I think it's the long tail of ideological content rather than the extreme examples that make people leave. But I suppose it could be specific things that push people over the edge. I'm a strong free speech supporter - I'd rather there be lots of things that people find offensive on offer (as long as they wouldn't have been illegal in the year 2000). But having all new content revolve around some aspect of…

Netflix can have free speech. They can make and do whatever they want. No one should be expected or required to keep paying a subscription when they start disagreeing substantially.

Yes I agree, maybe I wasnt clear. What I mean is that I don't generally hold it against a platform (or whatever) for allowing views or content that I find offensive. If somebody does, that's their right. But what I can't abide is (obviously) not having anything that interests me, because in that case why would I pay them.

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Post by samhw »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #64
lampshades wrote: post #2

Interesting that they're laying off writers seeing as the American public has been pretty unhappy with Netflix quality (whether the actual content or the idealogical pushes). I know a lot of people personally that cancelled their Netflix accounts after Cuties and even more for similar reasons as time continued on. I wonder how much of their subscriber-ship was impacted due to things like this and if it's a non-minor…

I canceled and encouraged people to cancel[1] after The Closer was released. I will continue to encourage people to cancel when they mention Netflix content as a way to demonstrate allyship. It is a small act of protest anyone can do in just five minutes. 1. https://www.netflix.com/cancelplan

What is that URL? Does that lead to an account cancellation flow? I'm bemused that Netflix would make that so straightforward, and go-viral-able. (Also, come on - nothing says 'allyship' like trying to ruin a black guy's career to teach him a lesson for expressing unhappiness about the relative pace of change in trans vs black rights. I don't agree with everything he said, as a gay guy, but I find this response extremely distasteful.)

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Post by chipchop »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #64
lampshades wrote: post #2

Interesting that they're laying off writers seeing as the American public has been pretty unhappy with Netflix quality (whether the actual content or the idealogical pushes). I know a lot of people personally that cancelled their Netflix accounts after Cuties and even more for similar reasons as time continued on. I wonder how much of their subscriber-ship was impacted due to things like this and if it's a non-minor…

I canceled and encouraged people to cancel[1] after The Closer was released. I will continue to encourage people to cancel when they mention Netflix content as a way to demonstrate allyship. It is a small act of protest anyone can do in just five minutes. 1. https://www.netflix.com/cancelplan

This overreaction of transactivists to Chappelle cracking a few jokes at their expense really just supports the point he was making.
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