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Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

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Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The milk alternatives that can achieve the same foaminess can cost 2x the price of regular milk, so I guess it makes sense

Which milk alternatives can achieve the same foaminess?

Oatly and Califa have barista blends that get close. I've been using Minor Figures for a few weeks and have been enjoying it.

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

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I heard that the trendy thing to do now in coffee shops is to ask for your drink to be made with regular cow milk.

I'm not a vegan and I'm not lactose intolerant, but I'm 100% convinced that oat milk in coffee tastes much better than other options. It smoothes out the acidity and adds a mild nutty aroma. Almond milk and soy milk are good too, but oat is the best.

Cafe was out of cows milk one day, so i had oat milk instead. It was fine - it was different but I could get used to it. Prefer cow milk, but just because that's what im used to right now.

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

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Milk alternatives don't have any benefits in children. Milk drinking in children is thought to induce growth. You can't overdo it though as it interferes with iron absorption. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-63647-8 see the references height difference found: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/106/2/597/4557638 may be related to IGF-1: https://www.nature.com/articles/1601948

Do we need big kids? Milk has a ton of calories and could be contributing to childhood obesity: https://nutritionfacts.org/2017/03/16/how-milk-may-contribut...

If we go purely on factors contributing to obesity, plant milks may not necessarily be better. Many plant milks are carb heavy with not much in the way of fat or protein, so it won’t make you feel as full as milk.

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#64

Oat milk tastes pretty good and from the charts it’s a good balance between land and water use and emissions given. I keep a smaller carton of milk next to a similar sized oat milk one these days. My only concern is if some studies will come out in a few years showing oat milk health effects similar to what is being discovered about soy. I don’t have all knowledge on this, but apparently soy can mess with hormones. I…

The “soy can mess with hormones” meme comes from the fact that soy contains weak estrogen like compounds, and the internet has blown up about it (particularly in health and fitness circles where there’s a good deal of concern about maintaining one’s manliness).

What gets left out is the fact that phytoestrogens are ubiquitous, found in many plant foods. [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen?wprov=sfti1

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#65

That's nice but it's not milk so ... apples to oranges. I'm not being unreasonable here, some people just won't give up real meat or milk, ever.

There is a death spiral that can occur when demand for dairy milk declines below a level where the supply chain can no longer support itself economically. Milk consumption is down 40% from the 70s in the US, 2730 dairy farms went out of business between 2018 and 2020, and if I had to hazard a guess, younger folks are going to prefer non dairy alternatives (for a variety of reasons). https://www.theguardian.com/food/2…

If this causes decent cheese to go past "damn, that's expensive" and into "I can no longer afford this", at least I won't mind death so much, I guess.

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#66

And yet coffee shops that claim to be organic, eco conscious and fair trade still penalize you for opting for a milk alternative (by charging extra, like up to $1).

they'd roughly cost the same if not for dairy subsidies

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#67

That's nice but it's not milk so ... apples to oranges. I'm not being unreasonable here, some people just won't give up real meat or milk, ever.

There is a death spiral that can occur when demand for dairy milk declines below a level where the supply chain can no longer support itself economically. Milk consumption is down 40% from the 70s in the US, 2730 dairy farms went out of business between 2018 and 2020, and if I had to hazard a guess, younger folks are going to prefer non dairy alternatives (for a variety of reasons). https://www.theguardian.com/food/2…

Assuming there is still some demand, this would presumably open up opportunities for small local dairies, no?

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#68

I really like milk. Why is it anywhere near the front of the list of things we have to be better at, to save the planet? Sorry for the grump take. It feels very silly to be “what about” ish about this. Couldn’t we just tax plane fuel a bit more first or something?

Thankfully, this isn't the only think people are trying to be better about. I think it's good to try and tackle a problem from multiple angles.

I also don't think anyone is trying to (realistically) take away your milk. It is useful though to inform people about the impacts of their choice, and let them make an informed decision.

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

#69

Keep in mind this is using "Carbon dioxide-equivalents". This is because of methane aka cow farts. https://ourworldindata.org/carbon-footprint-food-methane

Changing their diet with some kind of algae reduces metane emisions by a lot.

I don't have a source at hand right now but you can look it up.

Re: Milk alternatives produce up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions as milk

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Milk alternatives don't have any benefits in children. Milk drinking in children is thought to induce growth. You can't overdo it though as it interferes with iron absorption. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-63647-8 see the references height difference found: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/106/2/597/4557638 may be related to IGF-1: https://www.nature.com/articles/1601948

Do we need big kids? Milk has a ton of calories and could be contributing to childhood obesity: https://nutritionfacts.org/2017/03/16/how-milk-may-contribut...

I'm not a milk or milk alternative drinker but when I've looked at things like Oatly they seem to have at least as many calories and sugar as something like skim milk.
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