Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire • Hacker News Board

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

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Post by gotaquestion » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 7:24 PM UTC

throwaway82652 wrote: post #29

seany wrote: post #24

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There is a real cohort of libertarian folks who really do want digital anonymous cash replacement.

Cryptocurrency is not that, because it is not anonymous nor is it a cash replacement. I have sympathy for those folks who were led to believe those things, it's not their fault.

Small correction: some cryptos are anonymous, Zcash and monero for example. Bitcoin and ether are not, and once those have been rolled into something like the Winklevoss's Gemini, it is harder to follow them publicly.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

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Post by Pmop » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

Works for me. We enjoy the same benefits high capital enjoys when investing on crypto. Saves lots on paperwork and taxes. Plus, now I can save my wealth from being stolen by the govt when it decides to print it's way into our 6th currency.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

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Post by shadowgovt » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

sprague wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about crypto to me is how there seems to be a deep divide among very smart people, some who think it's the greatest thing ever and some who think it's a fraud. I can't remember when there's ever been such a Bigendian-scale dispute in technology before. Can you?

To its credit, Bitcoin and some of the other crypto implementations are very technically-clever Harder Drives (http://tom7.org/papers/murphy2022harder.pdf).

And that will attract folks who like puzzles for puzzle's sake.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

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Post by kovek » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #55

ipaddr wrote: post #47

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Pay once read forever is the latest scam. Pay once read until it stops working.

Can you elaborate? None of these Virtual Machines go away because so many people run them and can run them, including yourself. You can branch off the current state or any prior state and run/execute it locally at any point in time, without needing the resources to run the whole blockchain. This is enough for you and your community/clients to have the data to move it all somewhere else, if necessary. If you need all…

The amount of storage is not unlimited. The amount of goodwill from the nodes is not unlimited. The value of ethereum is not unlimited. The amount of reads can easily be “played with”

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

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Post by faitswulff » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

tshaddox wrote: post #57

faitswulff wrote: post #52

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I know who Guido van Rossum is. I have no idea who those three are.

Just to be clear, there's very little you (or any readers) ought to conclude from the fact that you know who Guido van Rossum is but are unaware of those other people.

Just to be clear, I have no idea who those people are or what their accomplishments are, but I do know and trust Guido's 1) intellect, and 2) judgment, so I'm inclined to trust a known factor over three unknown ones. And he's known for good reason. Reputation is a thing. I figure I'm not alone.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

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Post by slowmovintarget » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

throwaway82652 wrote: post #14

TimPC wrote: post #4

For those who don't know web3 is the idea of building a web on a decentralized blockchain. I think more specifically the idea is to replace the need for name servers with a blockchain protocol. Like anything blockchain there is no real solution for how to handle records becoming stale over time without a central authority that manages disputes. I find it ridiculous that this idea even got to occupy the name as I thin…

The original definition of Web 3.0 (or Semantic Web) was conceived by Tim Berners-Lee and meant something completely different, it referred to a web that had all information assembled into an open graph that was easily accessible and machine readable with the goal of leading to an AI revolution. AFAICT the "web3" moniker was co-opted by Ethereum developers to refer to something which is almost entirely opposed to tha…

This. The Semantic Web produced some interesting technologies that lost their cool factor and dissolved into the background (SPARQL, graph DBs... etc.). Ontology everywhere simply never caught on because it wasn't worth it.

This co-opting of term by blockchain-backed everything is for something actively dangerous as opposed to simply too little bang for too much buck.

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

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Post by AlexandrB » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

ipaddr wrote: post #47

vmception wrote: post #17

The original tweet was asking for "any future of python in web3 domain? specific in @ethereum @solana" Web3.js - the 7 year old library for communicating with any EVM has an actively maintained and fully featured python version. Solana.py is available for the Solana ecosystem These libraries typically make it very easy to connect to the nearest node, which you can treat as pay-once-read-forever compute instances. Whe…

Pay once read forever is the latest scam. Pay once read until it stops working.

The unbridled optimism of the crypto space is crazy. Few other tech products would claim they'll be around "forever", where in crypto this is often treated as a given.

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Post by masklinn » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

zelag wrote: post #36

metadat wrote: post #12

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Where is the divide? Crypto is 99% full of hucksters, and the remaining 1% are the sorry saps. The intelligent people I know want nothing to do with it. Folks I've met IRL who are into it usually aren't all that bright. The traits they do have are affinity for risk taking, and being somewhat technical but not too much so, just enough to be dangerous. They certainly won't be opening any PRs to fix Ethereum bugs. In ot…

People like Ari Juels, Gavin Wood and Vitalik Buterin aren't intelligent to you?

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Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

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Post by influx » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

labrador wrote: post #60

I just created the worlds slowest database. People will have to pay many dollars to specialists called "miners" to update it. For design reasons, no one can delete anything from it. It's going to change the world.

You don't think there's any value in an open source system that proves scarcity in a digital universe?

Re: Guido van Rossum: Let Web3 die in a flaming ball of fire

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Post by smoe » Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

sprague wrote: post #9

The interesting thing about crypto to me is how there seems to be a deep divide among very smart people, some who think it's the greatest thing ever and some who think it's a fraud. I can't remember when there's ever been such a Bigendian-scale dispute in technology before. Can you?

I think usually the divide in other areas is much more about technical aspects. Whereas with crypto a lot of proponents fairly aggressively push an ideology, and trying to make you literally buy into it. Which leads to, at time, fairly aggressive responses.

The most similar dispute I can remember during my career were the early years of MongoDB. The gripe of people with it wasn't much about that there is no space for no-sql databases and that they don't have their uses cases (after all they existed long before mongo), but how it was marketed and pushed by some people.