The (my) case against PinePhone is the case: it's not waterproof.
The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone
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Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone
#62Why LineageOS and not GrapheneOS? I have a Pixel 4a with GrapheneOS and really like it. The lack of Firebase Cloud Messaging (Google's push notifications service) isn't an issue for personal usage; for work I still use an iPhone because I don't want to put things like MS Teams on Graphene OS. As for PinePhone: it's interesting that this article puts LineageOS and PinePhone together since the latter cannot run the for…
I wish GrapheneOS was available on OnePlus.
Take a look at my DivestOS project, I support OnePlus 1-7 devices.
Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone
#63I dream of the day Apple open up their iPhones to alternative OS's. It'll probably never happen, but they've shown with their Apple Silicon macs that it's possible to do without compromising the security of the device. And given the progress on Asahi Linux and how closely related the A series and M series processors, half the drivers would be already written.
Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone
#64Obligatory shoutout for /e/OS - https://e.foundation/
It's a more integrated, user-friendly LineageOS fork that uses microG to replace Google services.
Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Snapchat refuses to let you access their services at all via browser. And most banks offer you a restricted set of functionality via browser, e.g., no taking pictures of checks to deposit (in fact, I can't think of any banks that do let you do that via browser).
Snapchat works on google free /e/ OS.
Snapchat makes you pass SafetyNet to be able to log in, and passing SafetyNet requires a signed response from Google's servers. Are you sure it isn't only working with a workaround like signing in on a stock Android device, and then copying the authentication information over?
Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone
#66Why LineageOS and not GrapheneOS? I have a Pixel 4a with GrapheneOS and really like it. The lack of Firebase Cloud Messaging (Google's push notifications service) isn't an issue for personal usage; for work I still use an iPhone because I don't want to put things like MS Teams on Graphene OS. As for PinePhone: it's interesting that this article puts LineageOS and PinePhone together since the latter cannot run the for…
The thing that annoys me about GrapheneOS is that it is not possible to install a sudo binary or to root the phone. I get that this is a Good Thing from a security perspective, but I don't like the fact that I can't install AdAway for resource-less adblocking with an edited hosts file, the ability to SSH into my phone with a certificate, or the ability to make good "nandroid" backups. I also philosophically like the…
You can always compile it with any such changes baked in.
Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have to do the open source phone first, and help convince others, before the banks and snapchats will support you, not the other way around. It's normally a small sacrifice, but the payoff is fundamental to a free future.
You make it sound like the banks and Snapchat would have to do work for them to support me, when the opposite is true. The community already has compatibility layers that work for most apps, but those companies go out of their way to do extra work to make sure their apps don't work in them.
Yeah they're shitty. That's why maybe you shouldn't financially support ecosystems that you don't like just to use apps that are actively hostile to you. You don't need those things.
Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which major banking and communications companies refuse to let you access their services via browser? This is when we absolutely need to name and shame.
After the nth round of european regulations, plenty of banks started requiring a smartphone app installed on Android or iOS as 2 factor authentication
What regulation requires Android or iOS in particular?
Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone
#69I'd totally use a more open-source phone OS, if only there weren't communications and banking apps that check to make sure you're running an unmodified major manufacturer's OS, and refuse to run if they find any evidence that you aren't.
You could try /e/OS? https://e.foundation/leaving-apple-improved-compatibility-wi...
> But while you can install many apps on /e/OS, we know that some apps are not working properly today: banking apps or games for example, and this has been painful for many of you.
> Our team has been hard at work to improve app compatibility in the last few months, and we will be rolling out improved app compatibility with the 0.23 release end of March. This means that apps like Pokemon Go, Ma banque (Crédit Agricole) and many others will work now fine on /e/OS.
Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
The choice is between GrapheneOS + Sandboxed Google play vs LineageOS + MicroG. If you care too much about privacy, GrapheneOS is the way to go. If you want a balance between privacy and usability, LineageOS is the way to go. Also, GrapheneOS only supports Pixel phones. I have tried CalyxOS but there are too many issues.
By "sandboxed Google Play" do you mean using the Aurora app? Coming from iPhone, something I keep forgetting is the full support for PWA apps on Graphene OS. I wish there were PWA versions of apps like Signal, Wire, ProtonMail, and more; so much cleaner to update the app through a deliberate refresh than going through a middle-man service like F-Droid.
They support actual Google Play Services in a sandbox: https://grapheneos.org/faq#google-services