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Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by megablast »

jason-phillips wrote: post #13
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #7

It has been clear to us for years that Samsung has baaad internal communication issues. When you're at the forefront of technology, you're bound to trip up as bets and explorations don't pan out. Humans being humans, mistakes will happen, but they must be recognized to be corrected and prevented in the future. It's clear that Samsung culture prevents people from admitting mistakes, which of course only leads to more…

> It has been clear to us for years that Samsung has baaad internal communication issues... It's clear that Samsung culture prevents people from admitting mistakes... Jesus H. Christ on a fucking hockey stick. I doubt I've ever read such a breathless hit piece with so many unsupported assertions summarily presented as fact. I worked for Samsung Semiconductor for ten years and left as a software engineering manager. N…

> unsupported assertions

What else could there be?? Do you think the company will release this information in a press release??? Do you think people will put their names to these criticisms??

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by cxr »

jason-phillips wrote: post #53
cxr wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NB: Jason is referring to "S2" aka Samsung Austin Semiconductor. I'm familiar with Jason's previous comments in threads about Samsung, but outside of that I don't know him (even, say, by name). This makes sense, given the separation between the work of an SE manager and the actual day-to-day operations that are involved with getting wafers fabbed and shipped. I worked at SAS in lots of different areas—Metro, Photo, a…

I hear what you're saying and I totally get your frustration. Many of my co-workers also shared similar frustrations. In a massive operation running 24/7 that never stops to catch its breath, it's chaotic. There are certain techniques I adopted that helped me be successful there, but I definitely understand your frustrations.

> In a massive operation running 24/7 that never stops to catch its breath, it's going to be chaotic.

No, it isn't. Describing it like this is needless apologetics.

The "chaos" is not even necessarily the worst part of the problem. It's these kinds of just-so dismissals that have the effect of framing the chaos as somehow unavoidable—the response that goes, roughly, you'll learn; this a natural consequence of what we're doing; it's a big operation, and this is what it looks like when you play with the big boys. I can tell you: I am a big boy. I have too much experience to the contrary for these casting couch excuses to work. Much of the day-to-day toil at Samsung is inexcusable and entirely avoidable. There is no excuse, for example, for dealing with version control in a billion dollar manufacturing operation like we're living in 1995 or a neverending sophomore-level group project.

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by causality0 »

jason-phillips wrote: post #13
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #7

It has been clear to us for years that Samsung has baaad internal communication issues. When you're at the forefront of technology, you're bound to trip up as bets and explorations don't pan out. Humans being humans, mistakes will happen, but they must be recognized to be corrected and prevented in the future. It's clear that Samsung culture prevents people from admitting mistakes, which of course only leads to more…

> It has been clear to us for years that Samsung has baaad internal communication issues... It's clear that Samsung culture prevents people from admitting mistakes... Jesus H. Christ on a fucking hockey stick. I doubt I've ever read such a breathless hit piece with so many unsupported assertions summarily presented as fact. I worked for Samsung Semiconductor for ten years and left as a software engineering manager. N…

Ok, so what's the origin of the problem? Over the last ten years I've seen Samsung's reputation absolutely plummet. In many areas such as home appliances it's now a joke, and people tell each other to avoid it. A decade ago it seemed to have the same feeling as Sony and now people say "Samsung" with a sigh.

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by userbinator »

mwint wrote: post #39
rootusrootus wrote: post #36

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I have a Samsung fridge. It singlehandedly convinced me never to buy another Samsung appliance. The reputation is legit.

What kind of issues are you seeing? Naively, a fridge seems like such a simple device that I'm curious how they screwed it up so badly that it's developed an anti-following.

Search "Samsung fridge" on HN to find a bunch of comments on what they've done wrong. It seems they're very eager to overengineer and add technology either just because they can, or possibly to aggressively pursue environmental regulations on energy usage and such (so they can claim to be at the top of efficiency rankings.)

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by wara23arish »

hedora wrote: post #46
rootusrootus wrote: post #36

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I have a Samsung fridge. It singlehandedly convinced me never to buy another Samsung appliance. The reputation is legit.

I have a Dacor (Samsung owned high end brand) fridge. It works as advertised, but they forgot to advertise that a sociopath had a hand in some of the design decisions (deep learning spyware hooked to cameras that will p2p tunnel with samsung TVs; the metal front is incompatible with refrigerator magnets). Anyway, we also have a samsung washer dryer pair. We had some issues during initial installation, and had to deal…

the p2p samsung fridge thing sounds like something from silicon valley

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by jeffbee »

userbinator wrote: post #56
kurthr wrote: post #28

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This (top level story) is a reflection of _SAMSUNG_ (particularly SEC-SLSI) culture. There are certainly elements of Korean culture, but it is for example VERY different from LG culture. I don't understand why there's a reason to jump to 5000 years of history for criticism of a part of a company that's having problems... apparently with truthful internal communication. I think most people would accept that Intel has/…

but that doesn't directly reflect on 5000 years of western culture. There hasn't even been 5000 years of western culture...

Some would say there haven't been any.

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by is_true »

mwint wrote: post #39
rootusrootus wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Samsung fridge. It singlehandedly convinced me never to buy another Samsung appliance. The reputation is legit.

What kind of issues are you seeing? Naively, a fridge seems like such a simple device that I'm curious how they screwed it up so badly that it's developed an anti-following.

I have a samsung fridge and it makes loud cracking noises, sometimes it even wakes me up at night. They told me the noises were normal, funny thing that fridge is advertised as being really quiet

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by throwaway9870 »

chevman wrote: post #5

There is a Facebook group with 100k+ members dedicated solely to the poor engineering, design, and fabrication of their refrigerators - [SAMSUNG REFRIGERATOR RECALL U.S.A. NOW] - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1520337151601316/

I bought a Samsung Frame TV for my parents for a Christmas present. Dear lord what a mistake. So much software shit on that TV. After two hours of playing with it and Googling it, I still can't figure out how TO TURN IT OFF. WTF. Their customer support is worthless.

I would really think twice before I bought another Samsung consumer product.

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