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MIT Engineers Create New Material Stronger Than Steel and Light as Plastic

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Re: MIT Engineers Create New Material Stronger Than Steel and Light as Plastic

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Can anyone explain why having polymer connected in 2d sheets is better than connecting in all 3 dimensions?

Maybe a self-assembled 3D lattice would have some disorder due to the extra degree of freedom which translates to structural weakness.

All crystals are by definition self-assembled 3D lattices.

However, single crystals are inconvenient as materials, because growing a crystal (i.e. self-assembling it) is a slow process.

Moreover, growing a single crystal so that it will have some useful form is difficult for a few forms and impossible for most forms.

Therefore the normal way to make something from a single crystal is by growing a large crystal and then removing much of it, leaving only the desired form.

Because of this disadvantages, making anything out of a self-assembled 3D lattice, a.k.a. crystal, is restricted to a few applications where the properties of a single crystal are essential, i.e. various electronic or optical devices.

In most cases, the most convenient materials are either thermoplastic materials, i.e. metals, glasses or thermoplastic polymers, or materials that are produced in a soft plastic state and after forming they can be transformed into a hard state by some treatment, i.e. ceramics, cements or thermosetting polymers.

A disordered 3D lattice is an amorphous material, e.g. a glass (unlike a crystal, which is obtained by very slow cooling, to allow time for the self-assembling of the ordered lattice, a glass is obtained by very fast cooling, which does not allow time for ordered self-assembling) or a thermosetting polymer.

Re: MIT Engineers Create New Material Stronger Than Steel and Light as Plastic

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Yes, you probably have a bunch at home in various knick-knacks. Plastic gears are usually nylon, for example.

The better ones are delrin (a.k.a acteal). It has a low coefficient of friction.

Interesting, thanks, I probably can't tell the difference and have just assumed they're all nylon to be honest!

Re: MIT Engineers Create New Material Stronger Than Steel and Light as Plastic

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Yes, you probably have a bunch at home in various knick-knacks. Plastic gears are usually nylon, for example.

The better ones are delrin (a.k.a acteal). It has a low coefficient of friction.

Delrin gears are not uniformly better. They have a lower coefficient of friction, but they can handle less torque. It's a tradeoff.

Re: MIT Engineers Create New Material Stronger Than Steel and Light as Plastic

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Title should be, "MIT Engineers Create New Material Stronger Than Steel, Light as Plastic, and More Expensive than Gold"

Melamine is cheap as hell. The lab apparatus they used is expensive but this process is really scalable.

A stack of alternating graphene and layers of this material would be interesting - we're starting to get into mass produced molecular level materials engineering.

Re: MIT Engineers Create New Material Stronger Than Steel and Light as Plastic

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Was it clear to anyone in what way it's stronger than steel? The article mostly talks about applications where it's used as a coating. At the same time it says the sheets can be layered and create very strong bonds. Why can't I make the entire object out of this polymer? Is it hard to tear but not very rigid/too floppy? It sounded like it won't bust the bank either.

“The researchers found that the new material’s elastic modulus — a measure of how much force it takes to deform a material — is between four and six times greater than that of bulletproof glass. They also found that its yield strength, or how much force it takes to break the material, is twice that of steel, even though the material has only about one-sixth the density of steel.

Emphasis added.

Re: MIT Engineers Create New Material Stronger Than Steel and Light as Plastic

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How much does a modular design really extend the life of a computer? Very few people (my father aside) are actively trying to keep computers from the 90’s orearly 2000’s alive. That my 10-year-old MacBook is still kicking is kind of a miracle (and only because I have harvested the guts from two others).

I once set up a computer workshop using PCs discarded by university labs. I assembled about a dozen PCs from about 20 discards. One of them served as a DSL router. In retrospect, I regret it; I saved those PCs from going to the dump, but: - They were not power-efficient - Because the hardware was a decade old, they had poor connectivity options I used to seek out computers that were maximally upgradeable. But in prac…

> Stuff gets obsolete very quickly these days.

What do you mean these days? Computers used to obsolete within months in the 90s as ever-faster CPUs kept coming out.

No longer true, with the death of Moore's Law. Computers from 2010 are still quite usable (I have several, servers & laptop) since speed increases over the last decade are incremental at best.

I've been buying computers since the 80s and now is the golden age of longevity for equipment.

Re: MIT Engineers Create New Material Stronger Than Steel and Light as Plastic

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Was it clear to anyone in what way it's stronger than steel? The article mostly talks about applications where it's used as a coating. At the same time it says the sheets can be layered and create very strong bonds. Why can't I make the entire object out of this polymer? Is it hard to tear but not very rigid/too floppy? It sounded like it won't bust the bank either.

“The researchers found that the new material’s elastic modulus — a measure of how much force it takes to deform a material — is between four and six times greater than that of bulletproof glass. They also found that its yield strength, or how much force it takes to break the material, is twice that of steel, even though the material has only about one-sixth the density of steel. ” Emphasis added.

So, if I understand this correctly it's strong in pretty much any practical way. Then I still don't understand why they only talk about coating, given they also keep saying it's easy to produce.

Re: MIT Engineers Create New Material Stronger Than Steel and Light as Plastic

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I once set up a computer workshop using PCs discarded by university labs. I assembled about a dozen PCs from about 20 discards. One of them served as a DSL router. In retrospect, I regret it; I saved those PCs from going to the dump, but: - They were not power-efficient - Because the hardware was a decade old, they had poor connectivity options I used to seek out computers that were maximally upgradeable. But in prac…

> Stuff gets obsolete very quickly these days. What do you mean these days? Computers used to obsolete within months in the 90s as ever-faster CPUs kept coming out. No longer true, with the death of Moore's Law. Computers from 2010 are still quite usable (I have several, servers & laptop) since speed increases over the last decade are incremental at best. I've been buying computers since the 80s and now is the golden…

Well longevity in terms of "not much performance increases per generation" but the quality of goods isn't necessarily there. My middle mouse button of my thinkpad just randomly fell a day ago. I don't think I've ever even used the middle button... My laptop is about 3years old and for the first 2years was barely used because I used a different machine... My old pixel 3 phone had a few issues with it too. The USB-C port stopped working perfectly after a software update and wasn't being rma'd at the time. Battery bulge popped off the back.

I wish devices were made to last for at least 10years, only my modular desktop with haswell gen CPU has lasted that long. I downgraded it from daily to something else.

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> Some researcher building the next superplastic pauses to say "hey that's funny" and bam we've got a new formula that completely prevents the formation of microplastics. My understanding is that microplastics are a result of regular wear and tear, and I don't think a material exist that is immune to that. If anything, a new plastic formula may be created that hardens it enough to reduce the shedding to a negligible…

so your solution is to make the microplastics smaller?

Struggling to understand how did infer that from my take?
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