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A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Post by R0b0t1 »

jasonkester wrote: post #51
camhart wrote: post #46

I can't stand "normal" milk from the US... the stuff you buy in the plastic cartons. It taste horrid. Milk from Germany? I love it. Milk from Darigold in the paper cartons? I love it. Milk from Darigold in the plastic? Tastes like garbage. Organic milk in a paper carton? Some is good, some taste like garbage. I didn't realize how different milk tastes until I spent some time in Germany. Prior to that I just thought I…

Even milk from the same dairy tastes radically different in plastic than paper. I always hated plastic milk as a kid. Nobody else seemed to notice the difference though. I sometimes wonder if there’s only a small subset of the population that can notice it.

Some pthalates seem to be detectable to some subset of the population. Same chemicals that are estrogen-alike.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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camhart wrote: post #46

I can't stand "normal" milk from the US... the stuff you buy in the plastic cartons. It taste horrid. Milk from Germany? I love it. Milk from Darigold in the paper cartons? I love it. Milk from Darigold in the plastic? Tastes like garbage. Organic milk in a paper carton? Some is good, some taste like garbage. I didn't realize how different milk tastes until I spent some time in Germany. Prior to that I just thought I…

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Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Post by stephen_g »

R0b0t1 wrote: post #61
jasonkester wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even milk from the same dairy tastes radically different in plastic than paper. I always hated plastic milk as a kid. Nobody else seemed to notice the difference though. I sometimes wonder if there’s only a small subset of the population that can notice it.

Some pthalates seem to be detectable to some subset of the population. Same chemicals that are estrogen-alike.

Why would milk containers have phthalates in them? All ours here in Australia are made with HDPE which doesn't need plasticisers.

Although I have read that apparently a fair proportion of milk in the US is made with equipment that uses PVC piping that leeches phthalates before it's even packaged...

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Post by jml7c5 »

camhart wrote: post #46

I can't stand "normal" milk from the US... the stuff you buy in the plastic cartons. It taste horrid. Milk from Germany? I love it. Milk from Darigold in the paper cartons? I love it. Milk from Darigold in the plastic? Tastes like garbage. Organic milk in a paper carton? Some is good, some taste like garbage. I didn't realize how different milk tastes until I spent some time in Germany. Prior to that I just thought I…

Just a note: the taste difference you're picking up on is not due to the simple presence or absence of plastic. Paper cartons are lined with LDPE film and milk jugs are usually composed of HDPE. Both options are, in effect, polyethylene plastic containers.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Post by chrisco255 »

morsch wrote: post #49
eixiepia wrote: post #12

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Per capita meat consumption is at more than 150% of the levels back then. By your own argument, we should cut back on meat, particularly chicken and beef. https://www.agweb.com/opinion/drivers-us-capita-meat-consump...

Their argument is that height has increased as a result of the meaty and fatty diet. It's definitely a factor. If you look at height differences between South Koreans and North Koreans, for example, you will see the effect that nutrition can have on height.

South Korea's meat consumption per capita has also increased consistently since the Korean War.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-relationship-between...

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Post by stephen_g »

jml7c5 wrote: post #64
camhart wrote: post #46

I can't stand "normal" milk from the US... the stuff you buy in the plastic cartons. It taste horrid. Milk from Germany? I love it. Milk from Darigold in the paper cartons? I love it. Milk from Darigold in the plastic? Tastes like garbage. Organic milk in a paper carton? Some is good, some taste like garbage. I didn't realize how different milk tastes until I spent some time in Germany. Prior to that I just thought I…

Just a note: the taste difference you're picking up on is not due to the simple presence or absence of plastic. Paper cartons are lined with LDPE film and milk jugs are usually composed of HDPE. Both options are, in effect, polyethylene plastic containers.

Yeah, I was going to comment the same thing. There should be little difference between the taste from LDPE lining in paper cartons vs. HDPE plastic containers.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Post by projektfu »

kccqzy wrote: post #27
morsch wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand. Just cook stuff from scratch? This isn't difficult. Just modestly time consuming it you want a varied meal plan. Unless you're saying that even for raw ingredients like eggs and potatoes, it's hard to know what's in them, in the sense that modern agriculture is a complex affair.

Definitely the raw ingredients are different. For example when I buy milk, I can find versions that are from cows not treated with rBST, and those that are. Is there much of a difference for consumers? The government doesn't think so, but certainly some producers do. Same thing with meat. You can buy meat from animals fed with ractopamine, and those that aren't. Some governments (such as the European Union) believe i…

Cows treated with rBST are probably not producing milk that is distinguishable from untreated milk but I oppose it for two reasons.

1. The cattle have visibly lower welfare. They carry heavier bags, they have more frequent infections.

2. The farmers are already in a situation of low bulk milk price and high cost. Margins in dairy farming are frequently negative. This increases cost to try to produce more output per cow, which is a beggar-thy-neighbor approach. If everyone does it, milk prices go down even further.

I don't know enough about ractopamine to have an opinion.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Post by chrisco255 »

woodruffw wrote: post #42
eixiepia wrote: post #12

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I think average height is more strongly correlated with nutritional profile and overall caloric intake than the proportion of the diet dedicated to animal products. The article makes a point of emphasizing that (and less scientific approaches to nutrition that spun out of it). Similarly: obesity is strongly correlated with sedentary behavior and overconsumption of processed foods, which tend to include lots of animal…

Processed foods are mostly plant based seed oil fried grains. Read the ingredients labels in the center aisles of your grocery or convenience store. Very little animal products in there. Canola, sunflower, soybeans, corn, wheat, enriched flour, high fructose corn syrup, palm oil, lecithin, etc etc.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Post by chrisco255 »

Thorrez wrote: post #36
helloworld11 wrote: post #26

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Likewise for German forces in the second war. When they encountered the sheer richness and quantity of U.S provisions after the D Day landings, for many of them it really brought home how hopeless their situation was in ways that abstract ideas of military and economic balances couldn't. Of course this shouldn't necessarily be used to draw absolute conclusions. Soviet forces were basically pushed into battling the Ge…

>Soviet forces were basically pushed into battling the Germans while subsisting on what could basically be called starvation rations, but they managed to crush the Wehrmacht piece by piece. But the Soviets lost more solders than the Germans.

They did the bulk of the Nazi killing.

Re: A Square Meal – Foods of the ‘20s and ‘30s

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Post by morsch »

chrisco255 wrote: post #65
morsch wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per capita meat consumption is at more than 150% of the levels back then. By your own argument, we should cut back on meat, particularly chicken and beef. https://www.agweb.com/opinion/drivers-us-capita-meat-consump...

Their argument is that height has increased as a result of the meaty and fatty diet. It's definitely a factor. If you look at height differences between South Koreans and North Koreans, for example, you will see the effect that nutrition can have on height. South Korea's meat consumption per capita has also increased consistently since the Korean War. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-relationship-between...

I, too, enjoy eating meat.
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