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Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by jstedfast » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 4:17 PM UTC

thatjoshguy wrote: post #43

kaylarose wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of those are things regular people - i.e. not hacker news readers - don't give a toss about.

But 'regular' people are loving the Galaxy S 2, I guess because of it's large and vibrant screen, and it's thinner (to hold) compared to the iPhone 4[1]. I really like the Galaxy S 2 and I wish so hard that Android was actually polished to the degree that iOS is. My iPhone bores and I love the screen on the Galaxy S, yet I know I will miss out on OS updates and being able to smoothly rotate the screen. The day androi…

> But 'regular' people are loving the Galaxy S 2

Are you sure of that? I can't imagine it's true, or there would be a hell of a lot more sales of it than there are...

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by rdtsc » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 4:17 PM UTC

jstedfast wrote: post #58

CJefferson wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really can't imagine why anyone might prefer the Samsung Galaxy S II (for example) to an iPhone? How about (straight off the top of my head) Better Linux connectivity. Ability to easily copy files on and off the phone. Ability to sync podcasts directly on the phone, without having to connect to a computer with iTunes (not used an iPhone for a while, they might have finally fixed this). Ability to run software App…

> Better Linux connectivity. Very few people actually run Linux on their desktops. If you are one of those people, then yes, I can see this being an advantage. Otherwise... not so much. I'm a Linux guy and when I had an iPhone, I used to just reboot to my Windows partition to sync my phone. I'd do it ~once per week or so (to sync up with the latest podcasts). > Ability to easily copy files on and off the phone. To be…

> Very few people actually run Linux on their desktops.

But you forgot, the original post rhetorically questioned why the 'technocrati' pick another phone. There is a disproportional number of technocrati that run Linux on their Desktop perhaps?

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by thatjoshguy » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 4:19 PM UTC

ugh wrote: post #26

thatjoshguy wrote: post #15

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It's 'disappointing' in the sense that, although it is more powerful and arguably better than the previous generation, people were wanting more substantial improvements.

And what exactly were those people wanting?

My guess is a 'new device'. If the only difference between that and the iPhone 4S is a larger screen and designed exterior, then so be it.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by nirvana » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 4:19 PM UTC

thatjoshguy wrote: post #57

hahaiamatwork wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please detail which phone you use and which apps were unintuitive. I hear complaints like this a lot, then try to replicate them on hardware I have to hand, and shockingly I am unable to do so! It's almost as if these stories are massively embellished versions of real interactions. For example. Have you actually seen how complex the home button on an iPhone is?

Just playing devils advocate here... how complex is the home button? Clicking it does one thing: takes you to the first page of the home screen. If you're already there, it takes you to Spotlight. Double clicking it pops up the multitasker.

And you click and hold to get Voice command. I've gotten that a couple times by mistake. So, I guess I've experienced the usability downside of this "complexity".

Still, one of the things I experienced in best buy was that the buttons at the bottom of the screen were pretty confusing.

The home button is really intuitive in comparison.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by runjake » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 4:20 PM UTC

king_magic wrote: post #45

CJefferson wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really can't imagine why anyone might prefer the Samsung Galaxy S II (for example) to an iPhone? How about (straight off the top of my head) Better Linux connectivity. Ability to easily copy files on and off the phone. Ability to sync podcasts directly on the phone, without having to connect to a computer with iTunes (not used an iPhone for a while, they might have finally fixed this). Ability to run software App…

My mom could care less about better Linux connectivity. My girlfriend doesn't care about copying files on/off the phone. My aunt doesn't care about running emulators. You know what they do care about? A nice camera. An easier way of interacting with the phone (Siri).

I think what he is trying to say is that some people would prefer what he's talking about, and that the iPhone isn't one size fits all.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by dongsheng » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 4:20 PM UTC

CJefferson wrote: post #31

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

You really can't imagine why anyone might prefer the Samsung Galaxy S II (for example) to an iPhone? How about (straight off the top of my head) Better Linux connectivity. Ability to easily copy files on and off the phone. Ability to sync podcasts directly on the phone, without having to connect to a computer with iTunes (not used an iPhone for a while, they might have finally fixed this). Ability to run software App…

Do you know half of iPhone users never connect to computer once activated, that means iPhone works totally fine without iTunes for ordinary people. Not to mention iOS5 now support wifi sync and iCloud backup. You may don't care camera, but one of my friend have 12G pictures and videos on iPod touch, it's crucial to users.

Ordinary people don't need Linux connectivity, file copying, emulators, they need a Phone which just works.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by BlazingFrog » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 4:21 PM UTC

rdtsc wrote: post #59

dr_ wrote: post #14

Even before this announcement, it is beyond me how anyone can argue that this is not the best smartphone on the market. It has an incredibly fast processor, fantastic camera, one of the most popular music hubs (iTunes), the largest app store and probably the most advanced AI technology in a phone. When the technorati (and, to be honest, most bloggers have been supportive of the product) diss this phone, are they actu…

> are they actually suggesting someone would be better off with a Android, Blackberry or Windows 7 phone? It seems your comment is based on a flawed assumption that all these consumer devices should be evaluated in a vacuum where price, app markets, & previous corporate adoption doesn't matter. iPhones where historically really expensive devices. And price is one of the features of the device just like camera resolut…

He didn't say it was the best value on the smartphone market. He said it was (in his opinion) the best smartphone.

Not sure how price qualifies as a feature considering prices may change based on time, geography, carrier choice and other factors.

No matter how you look at it, a Lexus is a better car than a Honda Civic. You, as a customer, may not assign the same value to the actual features as a different customer may is the only difference.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by smackfu » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 4:22 PM UTC

thatjoshguy wrote: post #57

hahaiamatwork wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please detail which phone you use and which apps were unintuitive. I hear complaints like this a lot, then try to replicate them on hardware I have to hand, and shockingly I am unable to do so! It's almost as if these stories are massively embellished versions of real interactions. For example. Have you actually seen how complex the home button on an iPhone is?

Just playing devils advocate here... how complex is the home button? Clicking it does one thing: takes you to the first page of the home screen. If you're already there, it takes you to Spotlight. Double clicking it pops up the multitasker.

As far as I can tell, they made double click launch the multitasker, and the mystery swipe left and right in it (without even any indicators this is possible), just to hide that stuff from novice users.

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by dongsheng » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 4:24 PM UTC

thatjoshguy wrote: post #43

kaylarose wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of those are things regular people - i.e. not hacker news readers - don't give a toss about.

But 'regular' people are loving the Galaxy S 2, I guess because of it's large and vibrant screen, and it's thinner (to hold) compared to the iPhone 4[1]. I really like the Galaxy S 2 and I wish so hard that Android was actually polished to the degree that iOS is. My iPhone bores and I love the screen on the Galaxy S, yet I know I will miss out on OS updates and being able to smoothly rotate the screen. The day androi…

> But 'regular' people are loving the Galaxy S 2

Did Galaxy S2 break iPhone 4's sale record?

Re: iPhone 4S Pre-Orders Top One Million in First 24 Hours

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Post by Cushman » Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 4:25 PM UTC

thatjoshguy wrote: post #44

drivingmenuts wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What drives some people away is the price tag, regardless of quality and features. I just dropped $1800 and change on an iMac, which really doesn't have any more mojo than an equivalent PC. If I need support, someone will say: "How can I help you?" no matter how inane the question, instead of (Linux) "RTFMNoob" and (Windows): "Google, install driver, visit MSDN, etc.". The difference (in my mind) is that I didn't buy…

> I didn't buy what I needed, I bought what I want. The funny thing is that's the complete opposite to what Apple retail employees are taught. Sell what the customer needs; nothing more, nothing less

I'd say that just highlights Apple's 0th law, that one thing only they seem to get: form is function, what you want is what you need. If it doesn't do what you want, it's insufficient for your needs. Conversely, if it does more than you need, you don't really want it, you just think you do.