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Agreed. I think the premise is sound. I feel like the US needs to incorporate a new right, similar to the separation of church and state but instead focused on the separation of politics and companies. I have no idea how politics would be defined or how it would be enforced. However similar to the premise of this article I think the one thing both sides can agree on is all of this became worse and jaded when companie…
If disney made all their characters white, people would call that political; if they made their characters diverse, people would call that political too. Media doesn't exist outside the political sphere. Many people call for apolitical media, but I'm not sure that's possible without avoiding any contentious issue whatsoever, and basically everything is contentious at the moment.
America's internet is splitting along party lines
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#63The first two words of the headline are wrong. Applications are not the Internet. This must be some kind of record for HN headlines.
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You won't find any sympathy for that position here because nobody complaining about social media is actually arguing against censorship, they're arguing against moderation. HN is also not an unmoderated forum. You don't get to post whatever you want here. I also don't get to post whatever I want here, and I'm willing to make that compromise so nobody ruins the place with toxicity and spam and conspiracy theories. You…
I am not fishing for sympathy. I am arguing for a set of values that are a supposed foundations of US. Now, I personally find it troubling that so many people seem to want to upend that foundation.
I'm not sure if you are meaning United States or emphasizing humanity, but in either direction: a private company's social media application gets to chose the content that goes on the platform. I'm all for free speech as intended by the constitution. I can say hateful things, and cannot be prosecuted by it. BUT I'm perfectly fine in a world where if I say something against a "Do no harm" policy of a website, I get kicked off that platform.
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#65This is important context because it's wonderful to see their point of view for what is going down.
They are focusing on dailywire vs disney and other symptoms of the problem.
>Progressives are focused on making sure that the existing media and online platforms crack down on misinformation.
But who gets to define what is misinformation. Obviously progressives have taken this upon themselves to define.
>Conservatives increasingly feel disenfranchised by media from mainstream news outlets to social platforms and have begun to invest in alternatives.
because of... oh wait we just discussed it. Progressives have taken it upon themselves to define what is misinformation and are censoring conservatives. The conservatives then look at their criticisms fairly. Lab Leak was misinformation and censored. Oh wait that's pretty much fact now. Hunter Biden's laptop suddenly found to be legit? Nope, misinformation and needs to be censored.
And they are investing in alternatives? No no. that was years ago. There's now a dozen that are self-sufficient and better yet, growing to the size they are unstoppable.
The progressives who were pretty happy to censor legitimate stories are now pissed off they suddenly have no power anymore. They can't get on parler and censor their 'misinformation' stories.
>On the right, Donald Trump's new social network, which is struggling to launch
Shrug? It was years late. It's not even a big contender at all.
>Conservative billionaire Rebekah Mercer co-founded and funded conservative Twitter alternative Parler.
Yes but oh look again those progressives tried to cancel parler as well. Parler going offline for awhile kind of killed it.
>Media companies and online platforms in the past have thrived by serving as big an audience as possible without regard to political bent.
Who is creating this split? One side takes sole blame here.
>Zoom out: Since the aftermath of the January 6th Capitol riot when most internet companies de-platformed former President Donald Trump, conservatives have been aggressively building out alternative communications infrastructure, including their own cloud storage and cryptocurrency companies.
You're starting to see the picture. You dont even see 1/4 of the picture year but you're starting to see it.
>The bottom line: As this trend continues, companies that have long positioned themselves as apolitical will face overwhelming pressure to choose sides.
This doesn't make sense. You can be on twitter and parler at the same time. You dont have to pick sides. Companies that are apolitical can continue to do so.
In fact, what's more important is to see why they even say this. It's the same reason this article doesn't even name the actual replacements. They want to say Trump's new network is floundering. Attack, attack, attack.
The 'progressives' built their platforms on the backs of everyone and then ejected the right. Then are now angry that the conservatives didn't just roll over and die? What did you think would happen?
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Twitter has just as vile content as anything you can find in the other cesspool. It just happens to overwhelmingly lean the right way politically, so is not only still around but treated as some legitimate source of news.
twitter itself is left-leaning (in the liberal sense), yes - are we pretending that progressivism and far-right ideology have equal legitimacy? parler was founded to be a haven for the latter. I might be out on a limb with this, but I don't think we should be giving far-right people a platform to spread their views.
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That's an oddly specific example, did this happen somewhere?
It was just an example of a public utility blocking access to a service they disagree with, but the service is still legal. The first idea was EU blocking rt.com (and some other russian sites), even though their content is perfectly legal, but EU doesn't want the people to look at that content there.
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If disney made all their characters white, people would call that political; if they made their characters diverse, people would call that political too. Media doesn't exist outside the political sphere. Many people call for apolitical media, but I'm not sure that's possible without avoiding any contentious issue whatsoever, and basically everything is contentious at the moment.
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twitter itself is left-leaning (in the liberal sense), yes - are we pretending that progressivism and far-right ideology have equal legitimacy? parler was founded to be a haven for the latter. I might be out on a limb with this, but I don't think we should be giving far-right people a platform to spread their views.
So you think we should be able to label a group of people and restrict their rights? You don't see how this could be a problem?
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#70There was a time when most papers in Norway were party papers. And it was totally fine! The reason for it being totally fine was because you'd already know where the paper stood on a certain topic, and with whom. And so when you read an article from that sender, with that very clear affiliation, you could ironically also trust them more, because you would be weary of any attempts of manipulation beforehand, and perha…
And that's exactly how most newspapers started in the US too.
Then they realized that advertising only to their side left out half of the potential readership and therefore lowered the advertising rates they could charge.
Now that we have (re-)targeting advertising platforms based not only on the topic of this specific page but informed by the last 2000 sites and pages you visited and products you viewed, the advertising rates are better and targeting a niche becomes a viable option.. but even then, that's only if the financial aspects are the motivators. Sometimes it's a moral cause, not a financial.