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Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by hotpotamus »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #30
hotpotamus wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt Brenda would care much if she was running something like RHEL for work since it can run a browser as good as anything. I assume the main thing keeping Windows around in her case is all the IT endpoint management stuff built around the MS ecosystem. Personally, I'd probably be all in on Ubuntu or some derivative if not for gaming.

In my experience people balk when they realize they’re not using Windows or Office. I’ve literally had someone sit in front of a Linux computer with OpenOffice and work fine on it until they realized “hey the title bar says OpenOffice Calc - it’s not excel! I don’t know how to use this!” Despite the fact they were using it just fine. At this point no amount of convincing made them give it another try - they’d just cr…

I was wondering how much native MS Office matters these days. I've been using OWA and Office 365 via browser for the better part of a decade on a Linux workstation because that's the compromise it took, but the experience was never good. I wonder if native would make much difference.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by gruez »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #30
hotpotamus wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt Brenda would care much if she was running something like RHEL for work since it can run a browser as good as anything. I assume the main thing keeping Windows around in her case is all the IT endpoint management stuff built around the MS ecosystem. Personally, I'd probably be all in on Ubuntu or some derivative if not for gaming.

In my experience people balk when they realize they’re not using Windows or Office. I’ve literally had someone sit in front of a Linux computer with OpenOffice and work fine on it until they realized “hey the title bar says OpenOffice Calc - it’s not excel! I don’t know how to use this!” Despite the fact they were using it just fine. At this point no amount of convincing made them give it another try - they’d just cr…

>I’ve literally had someone sit in front of a Linux computer with OpenOffice and work fine on it until they realized “hey the title bar says OpenOffice Calc - it’s not excel! I don’t know how to use this!” Despite the fact they were using it just fine.

I guarantee that this won't happen with "brenda in accounting" (ie. typical excel jockey). The mismatching shortcuts/formulas/feature set will immediately tip them off. For someone who's viewing a few spreadsheet and/or doing some basic editing (ie. entering cell values), I can imagine it happening.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by abdulmuhaimin »

odonnellryan wrote: post #17
w4rh4wk5 wrote: post #14

I'd really like to know how much Microsoft's behavior with recent Windows versions pays off. Specifically bundling lots of unwanted apps, forcing Edge and Defender down people's throats, removing basic UI customization features, etc. The fact that they are still doing this today suggests that they get something out of these decisions. Or at least they think so. I can only imagine that the part of customers being alie…

Gotta have some bad versions of windows so when we get an ok version we think it is good! It isn't like you're going to use Linux ;)

theres MacOS. Thats the real immediate threat of Windows 11.

And honestly with recent development of Apple's hardware, and gaming on Linux, Microsoft should be worried. Windows 11 feels like Microsoft make a step forward and 2 steps backward

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by lostmsu »

snarfy wrote: post #55

I'm waiting for them to fix all the broken crap in an sp1 release before I upgrade. I'm talking the basic stuff, like switching windows. It's beyond me that they broke this somehow. Or character map. What the hell.

How is character map broken?

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by grishka »

willis936 wrote: post #47
grishka wrote: post #38

I know people who still use Windows 7 and hate 10. It gets the job done, and modern browsers still run on it because there were no serious API changes between 7 and 10.

Keeping a windows 7 system connected to the internet is a bad idea in 2022.

And keeping a Windows 10 system connected to the internet exposes it to what amounts to RCE that's only exploitable by Microsoft.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by rsynnott »

supernovae wrote: post #45
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>which isn't that old (Skylake To be fair, Skylake is pretty old. 2015 was 7 years ago which is quite significant in consumer tech years.

macos also dropped support for 2015 hardware in Big Sur..

Eh? No it didn't. Compatibility list: https://support.apple.com/kb/sp833

It works on anything with a Haswell or later and Intel or AMD graphics, essentially.

(Note that the MacBook is 2015 because there was no product called that between about 2009 and 2015; the iMac Pro is 2017 because that's when it was introduced).

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by gruez »

supernovae wrote: post #48
sys_64738 wrote: post #42

They won’t to arm twist people off Win10 to 11 and force you to buy a new PC. No. This is why we have choices and Linux Mint.

windows 11 is better for requiring the modern cpus..it suffers greatly in performance if you install it on unsupported chipsets..

What features did they add that required newer chipsets? It made sense sense for windows vista because of all the 3d/glass effects. For windows 11 all they add was... rounded corners.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by rsynnott »

gruez wrote: post #60
rsynnott wrote: post #49

So, maybe I'm misremembering, but wasn't Windows 10 meant to be the forever-Windows? I'm almost sure there was some marketing to that effect from Redmond at the time.

AFAIK there's no official corporate communication to that effect. The whole "windows 10 will be the last windows" thing can ultimately be traced back to something that a evangelist/dev said at a microsoft event. That didn't prevent tech blogs/media from parroting it far and wide though, so that's probably why you might have "remembered" it.

Hrm.

> "Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10." That was the message from Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, a developer evangelist speaking at the company's Ignite conference this week.

So it was a Microsoft employee. But presumably not speaking ex cathedra, then.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by sys_64738 »

supernovae wrote: post #48
sys_64738 wrote: post #42

They won’t to arm twist people off Win10 to 11 and force you to buy a new PC. No. This is why we have choices and Linux Mint.

windows 11 is better for requiring the modern cpus..it suffers greatly in performance if you install it on unsupported chipsets..

This is just them being lazy or trying to set a baseline of TPM 2.0 based systems. There's no technical reason to not support those chipsets already supported in Win11.
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