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Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by emerongi »

bamboozled wrote: post #8
kzrdude wrote: post #2

The snap thing makes me want to switch distro (for work) from ubuntu. Unfortunately we have some benefits from using ubuntu as the common platform for less divergence from each other

We switched over to Fedora, way better

I switched many years ago. I make heavy use of Flatpaks, which are great, although they have a lot of unlocked potential still. dnf installs regular-old packages, as opposed to Ubuntu, where apt packages now install snap packages.

Debian or Fedora should become the new default recommendation. Debian probably fits better for novices, since Fedora doesn't have non-free packages out of the box.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by brianshaler »

rlpb wrote: post #48
brianshaler wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally use ubuntu and have used snap enough to get thoroughly burned and annoyed by it. Slow starts, no auto-update controls with bad defaults corrupting running programs, spammed mount points... (edit: see comment below for some limited controls to reduce the frequency of auto-updates) But, unless I'm missing something about latest or future releases, isn't it still optional? Can't you use apt instead and unin…

> no auto-update controls Maybe not what you want exactly but there are controls and claiming otherwise is misleading. https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date#heading--...

Thank you for this. Severely limited controls are certainly better than no controls. Looks like timer can reduce breakages to no more than monthly, hold can prevent breakages for up to 3 months, and metered seems like it may be able to disable updates and subsequent breakages if I can figure how to trick the OS into thinking I'm always on a metered connection (which is actually true, but I'm on LTE via wifi)

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by oofbey »

tjoff wrote: post #60

Somehow when googling software snap will often come up and try to push users to install snap and the software. Almost feels like malware on every level. Can't comprehend why they are pushing it so hard. Ubuntu is on borrowed time.

I have been a huge fan of Ubuntu for a long time. But the way they push snap is really making me question this choice. The more I learn about snap the less I like it.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

rsolva wrote: post #56

Having observed (well deserved) criticism of both Snap and Flatpak during the years, Flatpak seems to emerge as the most sensible solution, continuously addressing and improving on the pain points and security challenges. I have been using Fedora 34/35 the last year or so, and Flatpaks are well integrated and mostly just works without any performance hit. Being able to adjust permissions per app (with Flatseal) has a…

It’s not even remotely close. Snaps take longer to load, still sometimes have theme issues, you have to manually install Snap on almost all non-Snap distributions, you’ll be littered with garbage mountpoints, you’ll have a useless snap folder in your home directory, you can’t add external repositories of any kind, and you get no ability to stop updates easy without going into duct tape solutions.

Snap wants to be a desktop, and server, system. Not with a 10 foot pole - Docker is literally 100x better. Not on my Desktop - Flatpak is superior there.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by vladvasiliu »

striking wrote: post #41
duped wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's a pain in the ass for what should be the default, especially if you want to use it on a laptop and not have the battery die overnight.

Some argue full disk encryption should be the default. Others argue hibernation should be the default. Here they appear to be in conflict, and that the former was prioritized.

But they're not. You can very well have the swap on top of LVM on top of LUKS. And the root and other partitions share that same LVM and LUKS. So now you have FDE and the kernel will know how to assemble it all. The only difference with the default pop OS install is that the swap key isn't changed on every boot. But since the other partitions holding the actual data use persistent keys, that doesn't look like much of an issue to me.

Plus, if you're OK with using a TPM, you can also get waking up from hibernation without having to enter type in your password.

Source: been doing exactly that (without the TPM part) on a laptop for a few years, and it just worked like a charm. No hoop-jumping involved or anything.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by mbrudd »

selfhifive wrote: post #51
kzrdude wrote: post #2

The snap thing makes me want to switch distro (for work) from ubuntu. Unfortunately we have some benefits from using ubuntu as the common platform for less divergence from each other

If you're a programmer I'd say Arch or Debian then configure as per your needs. As long as you don't do things blindly it will be very stable and blazing fast.

In my experience, Manjaro is a great, user-friendly version of Arch. YMMV, but I highly recommend it!

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by zamalek »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #64
rsolva wrote: post #56

Having observed (well deserved) criticism of both Snap and Flatpak during the years, Flatpak seems to emerge as the most sensible solution, continuously addressing and improving on the pain points and security challenges. I have been using Fedora 34/35 the last year or so, and Flatpaks are well integrated and mostly just works without any performance hit. Being able to adjust permissions per app (with Flatseal) has a…

It’s not even remotely close. Snaps take longer to load, still sometimes have theme issues, you have to manually install Snap on almost all non-Snap distributions, you’ll be littered with garbage mountpoints, you’ll have a useless snap folder in your home directory, you can’t add external repositories of any kind, and you get no ability to stop updates easy without going into duct tape solutions. Snap wants to be a d…

> Snaps take longer to load

Without fail, on multiple machines, shutdown/restart is stalled for the maximum 2:30 timeout for snapd. It's a useful reminder to uninstall Snap whenever I find myself in the unfortunate situation of using Ubuntu.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by zamalek »

bamboozled wrote: post #8
kzrdude wrote: post #2

The snap thing makes me want to switch distro (for work) from ubuntu. Unfortunately we have some benefits from using ubuntu as the common platform for less divergence from each other

We switched over to Fedora, way better

Both Fedora and Mint are touted as the "new Ubuntu." Mint even has a Debian fork experiment going on.

For work, keep in mind that Fedora defaults to SELinux and a firewall. That's is a huge bonus when approaching IT about a switch.

Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store

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Post by rubyist5eva »

philliphaydon wrote: post #27
rubyist5eva wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just switched to Fedora about a week ago because I was getting fed up with user hostile Ubuntu bs, I like it a lot.

I feel like people who use fedora swear by it. What DE do you use? I prefer KDE but donno if it’s time to retry gnome or something else.

I'm coming from Ubuntu so I stuck with Gnome as that is the default recomendation for Fedora as well. I've tried KDE in the past and while I understand why lots of people like it it never really clicked with me.

But while we're on the topic of user hostility, I'm not really a fan of some of the changes the Gnome devs are doing either, so I may switch again in the future but at least for now I'm comfortable using it and they aren't outright antagonizing my system like Ubuntu does with snaps.

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