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I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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Something that doesn't seem to have been discussed from the legal angle is this: if one can make any copyright claim about these datasets qualifying as "prior art", doesn't that then open itself up for trolls to claim that the datasets infringe on existing prior art? It's not like I can draw a pikachu, release it to public domain and make a slam dunk legal claim that all other pikachus are henceforth kosher.

I think Adam Neely makes a more relevant point in his videos about Dark Horse and Levitating: it doesn't really matter what any actual infringement claim is because you can typically find relevant prior art from legitimate works of music if you dig deep enough, even without going through the exercise of autogenerating note sequences.

As I understand, the legal arguments focus on whether there is a clear and traceable connection between the creative process for a song and the alleged infringed work, and whether there is clear intent to omit credit where it is due. I.e. the argument already starts from the assumption that similarities and inspirations from existing works of art can and do exist.

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you imagine would change if musicians couldn't protect their work? As a musician, I think what would happen is the companies that abuse copyright now would keep abusing musicians, except now they can just take any song they like without compensating the person who made it.

Broadly speaking, there are 3 main copyrights that apply to a given piece of music: the recording, the overall composition, and the melody. The first two are pretty uncontroversial [1]. You can't distribute my recording without my permission, and you can't make money off of a cover version without compensating me. The melody copyright is where things get really hazy. It's hard to determine when a melody infringes on…

There is definitely a sizable and vocal contingent of people who want all copyright on music abolished and only consider performance a valid way to make a living as a musician. When they don't specify, like above, that's generally the meaning. I've been chastised for selling albums enough to know it's not isolated enough to ignore.

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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I'm surprised to learn that copyright doesn't take into account the length of notes, which to me is part of what makes melodies unique.

It's a fun concept, and maybe will be useful in some weird edge case of a lawsuit, but no. Most recent music infringement lawsuits seem to argue that some combination of the sound design, groove, rhythms, chord progressions, melody or reduced melody, structure, and lyrics wind up giving a song the same "feel" as a prior song, and that's the basis of the copyright infringement. Then pseudoscientific experts come in an…

>Adam Neely did a good job touching on this in his recent analysis of the Dua Lipa Levitating lawsuit [1]

He most certainly did not. Of all the different takes out there, his is very weak.

>Most recent music infringement lawsuits seem to argue that some combination of...

There is a very good reason: as he mentions, the chords diversity use in pop songwriting is typically so poor that based only on that, the amount of things considered plagiarism would thus be ridiculous. If the similarities affect almost all dimensions (style, arrangement, rhythm, melody, ...) to the point of being "essentially the same", then it's exactly what people would want the law to exist for.

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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This only works for western music

It should work for declaring melodies in any system of music that has notation.

Now, you're correct if you're saying that not all music has melodies. Or that things like Indian ragas would be difficult to run through exhaustive permutation. But, as far as I know all music in the world has native notation or can be notated and reproduced.

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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lol what Edit: pro·lif·ic (adj) marked by abundant inventiveness or productivity It's just a fun title for his article about programmatically creating millions of remixes, thus becoming a very prolific DJ. That's the entire joke. It doesn't seem equivalent to "typing the N word in all caps." I'm sorry that your sense of humor is simply too refined to understand us uneducated peasants' jokes. Also you really just made…

Outside of the joke - I'd say your own definition of prolific undermines you pretty hard there. While I respect the author for the goal here, I would say he was neither abundantly inventive nor productive. His inventiveness boiled down to taking an existing concept, and saving some disk space using an already known algorithm. To boot - his method of saving that space rendered the original intent (preventing copywrite…

I mean... That's very productive!

"Productivity is the efficiency of production of goods or services expressed by some measure."

An whole album with millions of melodies in just one morning is quite efficient :). Meaningful or deep, maybe not. But productive... yes!

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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This is a mathematical approach to music, and lacks (from my point of view) what is the mere essence of music : choice. I understand why they want to take back the copyright on music, but they do so in such a geeky way that it seems completely useless to me. Ultimately, musicians will pick good / cool melodies from this dataset, in the same way they do when in front of an instrument. I might be missing the point ?

The point is that applying copyright law to music leads to absurd outcomes. It is a bad idea, and ought to be abolished.

Does the same apply to other mediums? What if I generate all possible 64x64 images? (Extend that to every resolution in theory)

Re: I became the world's most prolific DJ, using code

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you imagine would change if musicians couldn't protect their work? As a musician, I think what would happen is the companies that abuse copyright now would keep abusing musicians, except now they can just take any song they like without compensating the person who made it.

Broadly speaking, there are 3 main copyrights that apply to a given piece of music: the recording, the overall composition, and the melody. The first two are pretty uncontroversial [1]. You can't distribute my recording without my permission, and you can't make money off of a cover version without compensating me. The melody copyright is where things get really hazy. It's hard to determine when a melody infringes on…

Can chord progressions be copyrighted?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/what-the-law-says-about-...

> Copyrighted elements of a musical composition can include melody, chord progression, rhythm, and lyrics — anything that reflects a "minimal spark" of creativity and originality.

https://ask.audio/articles/5-common-beliefs-about-song-copyr...

> Song Titles and Chord Progressions are not copyright protected

> This is true.

[snip]

> Ditto for chord progressions. There must be hundreds of songs that were hits in the ’50s and early ’60s that followed the familiar “ice cream changes” progression of I-vi-IV-V7. Thin “In The Still Of The Night” (another song that shares its title with others), “Donna”, “Silhouettes”, “This Boy” just for starters. Also the chords from the “Pachelbel Canon in D” have been used numerous times. Think “A Whiter Shade Of Pale.”

Does lack of enforcement make something legal?

https://moviecultists.com/can-chord-progressions-be-copyrigh...

> "If a single chord progression were elaborate enough and unconventional enough, it could be protected."

How many possible chord progressions are there?

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