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Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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I don’t think I’ll ever use ubuntu again. The continued forcing of snap is killing it for me.

Same here. Strongly eyeing NixOS and patiently awaiting real work experience from a co-worker who already did the plunge.

It is to operating systems what automatic memory management was to programming. Irrefutably needed.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

#62

There's a very strong reaction here from users, but overall if more software became snap-only (or FlatPak-only, or anything-only), it would solve one of Linux's biggest pain points as a software developer. MSI on Windows is completely fucked, PKG on Mac has a few footguns, but at least they're universal, decades-old standards supported by mature tooling. You release an MSI/PKG, and you're done. Works on every Windows…

There's an XKCD that captures that: https://xkcd.com/927/

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

#63

I don’t think I’ll ever use ubuntu again. The continued forcing of snap is killing it for me.

I moved to PopOS for exactly this reason and have no regrets. Essentially Ubuntu with Flatpak.

I ran into weird issues with pop. I don’t think it’s a pop issue. I forget the exact issue but I was trying to install a couple of applications and I couldn’t because it said it was only for Ubuntu. I ended up hacking some file changing the name of the OS from Pop to Ubuntu and it installed and worked fine.

Honestly after that I never tried it again.

Currently running manjaro but really wanna give fedora a try cos seems people who use it swear by it.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

#64

I've been hearing good things about modern Fedora as an alternative "boring" operating system. Maybe now is the time to make the switch.

I've used Fedora as my daily driver for over a decade. I rarely have issues and the past few years have been particularly stable. It just works.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

#65

There's a very strong reaction here from users, but overall if more software became snap-only (or FlatPak-only, or anything-only), it would solve one of Linux's biggest pain points as a software developer. MSI on Windows is completely fucked, PKG on Mac has a few footguns, but at least they're universal, decades-old standards supported by mature tooling. You release an MSI/PKG, and you're done. Works on every Windows…

Indeed - and they provide separation between a stable OS (which debs are fine for) and frequent desktop app updates. I've been using Snap, Flatpak and Appimage for desktop/productivity apps (Krita, DigiKam, Spotify, Signal, calibre etc) where possible. Its been amazing getting updates in a timely fashion, sometimes straight from the developer, instead of having to wait years for the DEBs to be updated.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

#66

I don’t think I’ll ever use ubuntu again. The continued forcing of snap is killing it for me.

I installed Ubuntu a few weeks ago at work because most people use it and there is some existing infrastructure around it (mostly for the target platforms, but could also be for dev machines).

I have to say that coming from Arch, it's a very Windowsy experience: lots of software has to be installed by searching for "install XYZ on Ubuntu", and following some instructions that involve scary-looking command lines that mess with cryptographic keys and add repos to my configuration, or, for a real Windows experience, install from a deb and hope you remember where you got it from when it needs an update.

I know the AUR is no more secure than that, but at least if someone makes a bogus package full of evil, it'll be flagged on that platform. If I install whatever from some random third-party repo, how will I ever know if it's gone bad?

Also, PKGBUILDs are just so easy.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

#67

I don’t think I’ll ever use ubuntu again. The continued forcing of snap is killing it for me.

I installed Ubuntu a few weeks ago at work because most people use it and there is some existing infrastructure around it (mostly for the target platforms, but could also be for dev machines). I have to say that coming from Arch, it's a very Windowsy experience: lots of software has to be installed by searching for "install XYZ on Ubuntu", and following some instructions that involve scary-looking command lines that…

> lots of software has to be installed by searching for "install XYZ on Ubuntu", and following some instructions that involve scary-looking command lines that mess with cryptographic keys and add repos to my configuration, or, for a real Windows experience, install from a deb and hope you remember where you got it from when it needs an update.

Ironically this is exactly the problem that snaps solve; what you describe is exactly why others complain about it.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snap gives all kind of headaches. I remember trying VSCode and I had problems working with files normally. I asked for help and I got quite a bit of backlash because I didn't wan't to deal with another layer of configuring a system just to access to my local files, and even after that you won't get the same experience. But apparently I'm some bastard n00b that does not care about security enough! Can you imagine tryi…

I don't know what kind of hoops Snap require to access files. Flatpak, however, has a pretty simple system for a fully sandboxed app to open a file or a directory: it just opens a file or directory picker, you pick a file or directory, and the app gets access to that file or directory without getting access to anything outside what you picked. Behind the scenes this is done via the XDG Portal system, but that's irrel…

Snaps use exactly the same system with the same underlying APIs. An app that uses XDG Portals will work seamlessly when packaged as a snap, too.

Re: Firefox now only available via snap on Ubuntu

#70
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snap gives all kind of headaches. I remember trying VSCode and I had problems working with files normally. I asked for help and I got quite a bit of backlash because I didn't wan't to deal with another layer of configuring a system just to access to my local files, and even after that you won't get the same experience. But apparently I'm some bastard n00b that does not care about security enough! Can you imagine tryi…

VSCode was the one that made me uninstall snapd on the installation image for our classroom...

Yeah, it's a mess. I guess that for other casual apps it's less hassle.
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