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Remove Google Account After Factory Reset (2019)

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Re: Remove Google Account After Factory Reset (2019)

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This is really no different to Apple’s Activation Lock. If the previous user isn’t careful to sign out of their Apple ID (or, at a minimum, disable “Find My”), the new owner will need the previous owner’s password to reset the device. This is a good thing . Combined with remote lock, it renders stolen devices useless.

> This is a good thing. Combined with remote lock, it renders stolen devices useless. I’ve heard a long, long time ago that the market for stolen devices had switched to stripping them for parts rather than selling them as working replacement devices. From that perspective, activation locks don’t help much. For thieves, even if some parts won’t work, any gain is better than nothing.

I disagree, it sounds like if you steal a device, the best you can do is part it out because of the activation lock. That raises the barrier to entry (must be able to part out the device or add a middle man), lowers the margin per device , making the endeavor much less attractive overall. I'd be willing to wager this reduces stolen devices in aggregate.

Re: Remove Google Account After Factory Reset (2019)

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> Your credit card provider could buy stuff on your account. This example is unlike the others; your credit card provider already buys everything that goes on your account. For that to make any sense, they'd need to convince you to pay them "back". > But they don't because they're all enormous companies with thousands of employees. The negative PR would be instant and overwhelming, and the sheer amount of staff would…

Credit card providers not only do not buy anything that goes on your account, they do not pay for anything that goes on your account. They transfer funds for purchases that you make, and make payments on your behalf. As such they are neither the buyer nor the payor in any credit card transaction.

They are the payor in every credit card transaction. Merchants aren't waiting for you to pay your credit card bill. The provider gets paid back when you do that.

That's why it's called a "credit" card.

Re: Remove Google Account After Factory Reset (2019)

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post #56

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It does. That is exactly what it does.

Good to know; but why are you and @swiftcoder saying apparently different things? [0] I’m on iOS, so I can’t test this myself. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30777197

He's talking about Android, I'm talking about iOS. I don't know what Android does, and I'm sure that it's device-specific anyway, unlike iPhones.

Re: Remove Google Account After Factory Reset (2019)

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Yes. And your cellular provider could send text messages "from" you. Your email host could randomly delete all your emails. Your credit card provider could buy stuff on your account. But they don't because they're all enormous companies with thousands of employees. The negative PR would be instant and overwhelming, and the sheer amount of staff would render trying to do it secretly, ineffective. There is cautious, an…

> Your credit card provider could buy stuff on your account. This example is unlike the others; your credit card provider already buys everything that goes on your account. For that to make any sense, they'd need to convince you to pay them "back". > But they don't because they're all enormous companies with thousands of employees. The negative PR would be instant and overwhelming, and the sheer amount of staff would…

> And this is just untrue. Nobody even remembers Amazon retroactively deleting sold copies of 1984 from their customers' internet-connected Kindles.

I do. And the answer to "Am I the only one who..." is always "no".

Hell, it's even on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle#Removal_of_Ninet...

Re: Remove Google Account After Factory Reset (2019)

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Good to know; but why are you and @swiftcoder saying apparently different things? [0] I’m on iOS, so I can’t test this myself. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30777197

He's talking about Android, I'm talking about iOS. I don't know what Android does, and I'm sure that it's device-specific anyway, unlike iPhones.

Ah, I thought what I was responding to was talking about Android. I can see now this was not necessarily the case.

Re: Remove Google Account After Factory Reset (2019)

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No, it's a feature to prevent non-controlled second hand markets. Theft is just the marketing gimmick

That seems like an uncharitable take. It is entirely possible to re-sell a modern phone, and this happens quite often. Before selling the previous owner must sign out of the device's cloud account and perform a factory reset. Differentiating between the intentional re-selling of the device, and the selling of a stolen device does seem like a tricky problem, and personally I think this solution seems reasonable. If th…

Why can't they implement a second factor of auth to determine the phone's real owner? Or is that deliberately avoided to prevent victims of theft being put under duress?

Re: Remove Google Account After Factory Reset (2019)

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That seems like an uncharitable take. It is entirely possible to re-sell a modern phone, and this happens quite often. Before selling the previous owner must sign out of the device's cloud account and perform a factory reset. Differentiating between the intentional re-selling of the device, and the selling of a stolen device does seem like a tricky problem, and personally I think this solution seems reasonable. If th…

Why can't they implement a second factor of auth to determine the phone's real owner? Or is that deliberately avoided to prevent victims of theft being put under duress?

I mean, we have that. It's called an imei and you can't change it.

All that would be needed is for anyone selling a phone to provide the imei and some id to a govt service to assert that they are the current owner and intend to sell it for x price on y day. If you don't do this check and buy a phone, you're held liable if it is stolen. If you do, and it passes but later turns out to be stolen, automatically reimburse the buyer when you return it to the owner and make the seller liable to cover all associated costs in addition to the handling stolen property.

Most of this is already implemented for cars via vin, and doesn't require that an unelected central power has carte blanche to do whatever they want to it at any time.

Re: Remove Google Account After Factory Reset (2019)

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Why can't they implement a second factor of auth to determine the phone's real owner? Or is that deliberately avoided to prevent victims of theft being put under duress?

I mean, we have that. It's called an imei and you can't change it. All that would be needed is for anyone selling a phone to provide the imei and some id to a govt service to assert that they are the current owner and intend to sell it for x price on y day. If you don't do this check and buy a phone, you're held liable if it is stolen. If you do, and it passes but later turns out to be stolen, automatically reimburse…

You can't change it, but you can find it inside the phone, no?

Re: Remove Google Account After Factory Reset (2019)

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>If you want someone to plonk down $2k for a fancy phone Which phone is this?

While I suspect this is a slight exaggeration, a 1 TB iPhone 13 Pro Max w/ 2 years of AppleCare+ (with Theft and Loss), as well as tax (for me in the US, at least) runs $1,980.08. It's $1,599 without the add-ons.

Now convert that to Australian dollars and you've got a phone that costs more than some gaming laptops.
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