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Re: Plain Text Sports

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Post by altairprime »

CJefferson wrote: post #38

This does look really nice, and the author should be proud, however I wanted to make a general comment (which isn't a critism of this website). If you aim is to help people who want pure text-based interfaces (the blind in particular), this is much worse than a proper HTML page, which they can easily explore by headers. Well-formed HTML is actually one of the most accessible formats, and drawing boxes with CSS (rathe…

To clarify: Are you indicating that, as a user dependent on screen readers, that this site is difficult to use for you?

Do other users who depend on screen readers have an experience they’re willing to share about visiting this site?

Re: Plain Text Sports

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Post by hnarn »

Someone wrote: post #51
hnarn wrote: post #49

As a Swede, seeing Americans react to this website is interesting. Sweden introduced "Text-TV" in 1979 (it was pioneered by the BBC in the early 70's I believe), which means that reading text based sports results on your TV is a completely ubiquitous cultural phenomenon for anyone who grew up in Sweden in the 80's, the 90's and all the way up to when the Internet and smartphones took over. Swedish state television (S…

> SVT's "Text-TV" is to my knowledge still the worlds oldest, operational service of its kind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_teletext_services says “The Netherlands has run a regular Teletext service since the end of 1977 on the public broadcasting channels” . That would make that older. Ceefax was from 1974, so it seems there’s room for an even older still operating one.

Ceefax was shut down in 2012.[1] I have no idea about the Dutch one, it's possible that it's older.

edit: According to this site[2] the Dutch teletext was broadcast "on the open network" on April 1, 1980. There's also a Swedish source claiming that Swedish Text-TV is the oldest in the world.[3]

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-20032882

[2]: https://over-nos-nl.translate.goog/organisatie/geschiedenis-...

[3]: https://sverigesradio.se/avsnitt/1216116 "idag har faktiskt Sverige världens äldsta ännu aktiva Text-TV"

Re: Plain Text Sports

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Post by dogline »

goblinux wrote: post #15

Beautiful. I love it! Dark mode is beautiful. So very well done. This went right to the top of my bookmark list. Only constructive feedback would be if it can better fill a normal 16:9 desktop monitor - it looks optimized for mobile, which is great - but it's too small and narrow for keeping open on the PC If you like MLB - this reminds me of Playball which runs in the terminal. https://github.com/paaatrick/playball

That URL for playball is cool. Thanks!

Re: Plain Text Sports

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Post by hnarn »

mstngl wrote: post #58
hnarn wrote: post #49

As a Swede, seeing Americans react to this website is interesting. Sweden introduced "Text-TV" in 1979 (it was pioneered by the BBC in the early 70's I believe), which means that reading text based sports results on your TV is a completely ubiquitous cultural phenomenon for anyone who grew up in Sweden in the 80's, the 90's and all the way up to when the Internet and smartphones took over. Swedish state television (S…

Same here in Germany, where regular operation of Teletext (or called "Videotext" here) started in 1979[1] and is still a thing. Surprisingly, I experience deaf people in my sphere using it. Of course, all the information is available on websites as well, but the strict form and reduced text amount per information in Teletext seem to make it very accessible for those who struggle with complexity of written language. […

I think a common use case for this type of technology was subtitles for deaf people, so it's possible that they still use it out of habit. These days I think subtitles are probably sent to most TVs in a more modern fashion.

Re: Plain Text Sports

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Post by [deleted] »

altairprime wrote: post #61
CJefferson wrote: post #38

This does look really nice, and the author should be proud, however I wanted to make a general comment (which isn't a critism of this website). If you aim is to help people who want pure text-based interfaces (the blind in particular), this is much worse than a proper HTML page, which they can easily explore by headers. Well-formed HTML is actually one of the most accessible formats, and drawing boxes with CSS (rathe…

To clarify: Are you indicating that, as a user dependent on screen readers, that this site is difficult to use for you? Do other users who depend on screen readers have an experience they’re willing to share about visiting this site?

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Re: Plain Text Sports

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Post by modo_ »

CodeIsTheEnd wrote: post #27

Hey, HN! Creator here! I started building Plain Text Sports last year when I was watching an NFL playoff game in rural southwest Wisconsin. We had poor TV reception -- the image was going in-and-out -- and the local radio station was mostly static. I tried to check ESPN, but the loading bar was as frozen as the ground outside. I then had the idea for a website designed for the pure sports fan: no ads, no images, just…

wow small world- you have a poster up in your window with the URL, right? i think you live around the corner from me!

Re: Plain Text Sports

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Post by TAKEMYMONEY »

yupper32 wrote: post #55
TAKEMYMONEY wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This site is HTML, replacing with wouldn't change that. Tabular data can still be plain text. It's just rendered in tables instead of divs and spans. Plain text is good because it 1. Loads fast 2. Can be parsed easily s load just as fast, and can be parsed much faster by humans and computers alike. Either don't use HTML and use plain text instead, or use it correctly. This is all costs of markup without any benefit.…

> Either don't use HTML and use plain text instead, or use it correctly. Says who? The owner of the website here owes us nothing.

I mean it as a constructive criticism, not a pull request. It's a cool project (enough that I wanted to see how it's built).

Re: Plain Text Sports

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Post by lelandfe »

TAKEMYMONEY wrote: post #50
lelandfe wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does it really need to override my font size? 13px is too small for my display The advent of good browser-based zooming has made non-default font-size users like yourself a small segment. The days of having to author everything in em/rem is mostly over – keeping everything scalable was tedious and prone to issues. I'd bet you encounter issues regularly: explicit font sizes on a root element are a ubiquitous practic…

How do you persist zoom settings for every website across browsers and devices?

Every major browser has default zoom settings which will apply to all sites. For example:

Chrome: Settings > Appearance > Page zoom

Firefox: Settings > General > Zoom

iOS Safari: Settings > Safari > Page Zoom > Other Websites

Re: Plain Text Sports

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Post by paxys »

CJefferson wrote: post #38

This does look really nice, and the author should be proud, however I wanted to make a general comment (which isn't a critism of this website). If you aim is to help people who want pure text-based interfaces (the blind in particular), this is much worse than a proper HTML page, which they can easily explore by headers. Well-formed HTML is actually one of the most accessible formats, and drawing boxes with CSS (rathe…

To add – the two aren't mutually exclusive. You can have page layouts with divs and correct tags that screen readers can understand AND draw ascii borders around it.
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