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Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by toyg »

Markoff wrote: post #11

I used to watch F1 back in 90s until beginning of 00s, it was interesting, there were not that significant differences between cars and you could see actual driving skills and overtaking, over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it, pretty much boring from start to finish and you really need to stay extremely focused to not fall asleep. What F1 really need…

> one monopost

Does that word even exist in English? Nobody uses it in the anglo word. Monoposto is an Italian / Spanish word really, where posto is a seat (hence single-seat car).

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by toyg »

nradov wrote: post #41
toyg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

F1 lived for decades (and still does, to an extent) on money provided by tobacco companies. IIRC they even raced in apartheid SouthAfrica during boycott times.

OK but you have to admit that Ayrton Senna's car looked pretty cool in Marlboro livery.

I'm just a bit sore because Philip Morris ruined Ferrari liveries.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by mizzack »

lordnacho wrote: post #54

F1, from an excitement point of view, suffers from the same issue as European footie: unequal budgets. Every team is only really judged against how much resource they brought. Witness Man Utd, everyone is saying what an awful season they're having. They're in 5th place. Watch an F1 race and it's the same, everyone is on a money ladder and are doing well when they're up a little based on where you expect from their bu…

There are now quite reasonable budget caps ($145m last year, $140m this year, $135m next year).

This is about a third to a quarter of what Ferrari, Mercedes, and Red Bull were spending per year prior to the cap.

Also, freezing the power unit formula until 2025 has evened the playing field on that front. All of the PUs have as close of parity as they have in the turbo hybrid era.

Lastly, the new 2022 car regs have the potential to shake up the grid.

It's not like the sporting body doesn't recognize this as a problem. How do you balance the field without turning it into a spec racing series?

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by dazc »

mhh__ wrote: post #55
dazc wrote: post #2

You missed the golden age of F1 in late 80's and the early 90's. Today's version is like watching a computer simulation where the team with the most money is almost guaranteed to win.

McLaren and Williams weren't exactly budget teams were they?

Williams started off, pretty much, as a 'hand to mouth' operation back in the day.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by hepinhei »

I have been watching F1 for >20years and my 2 cents:

Pros: most advanced cares, if you like engineering. the 'best' drivers.

Cons: Lack of wheel to wheel race Some money-driven decisions. Some boring races

Regardless of that, since Liberty Media acquired F1 it is going in a good direction: A bit less rapid cars, more fights It seems to have found its place in the sustainability space.

In terms of Human Rights and so on, you have double-edge situations here, such as visiting S.Arabia and at the same time solid movements of gender equality and others like black liver matters

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by haunter »

I prefer Formula E nowdays because of the much tighter competition between the manufacturers. Almost every single team is running its own EV engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Formula_E_Worl... Also it's streamed for free on Youtube, much easier to follow

The only thing I don't like is the engine "sound". You can watch and hear it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CX8ItCZz04 Not sure something to be "fixed" or not but the engine sound was always a big part of motorsport and it's simply gone in electric car races.

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by ElectronShak »

dazc wrote: post #2

You missed the golden age of F1 in late 80's and the early 90's. Today's version is like watching a computer simulation where the team with the most money is almost guaranteed to win.

You could say the same about the English Premier League, or soccer today. I'll specifically call out Man City and PSG.

But luckily we still have the magic of the FA Cup, and also soccer is full of surprises!

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by Markoff »

chrisan wrote: post #47
Markoff wrote: post #11

I used to watch F1 back in 90s until beginning of 00s, it was interesting, there were not that significant differences between cars and you could see actual driving skills and overtaking, over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it, pretty much boring from start to finish and you really need to stay extremely focused to not fall asleep. What F1 really need…

> over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it Data says otherwise, in general https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/nf4jkq/f1_overtak... The late 90s/early 00s had the least amount of overtakes on avg

that's interesting data, but I wonder whether this applies also to top positions, I'd like to see these stats filtered just for top positions

is there also some stat showing diversity of top positions over years or team/driver points required to win championship? though because of changing points system it's difficult to compare unless converted to percentage

According this championship decided by one point was last time in 2008, 2007 and 1994 with 2007 extremely balanced between top 3 https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/g36279865/formula-...

Judging by this, last year was from start to finish just race between Verstappen and Hamilton https://www.formula1points.com/season/season-progression/202...

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by Markoff »

toyg wrote: post #61
Markoff wrote: post #11

I used to watch F1 back in 90s until beginning of 00s, it was interesting, there were not that significant differences between cars and you could see actual driving skills and overtaking, over the time it turned into siesta lullaby where overtaking happens at best in the pitstop and that's it, pretty much boring from start to finish and you really need to stay extremely focused to not fall asleep. What F1 really need…

> one monopost Does that word even exist in English? Nobody uses it in the anglo word. Monoposto is an Italian / Spanish word really, where posto is a seat (hence single-seat car).

I thought it's international word since it's also used in Czech/Slovak, can't find it in English, though they mention "monoposto" here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-wheel_car

Re: Why I love Formula 1 (and why you might like it too)

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

mdoms wrote: post #45
jug wrote: post #15

For me also: community. I love the F1 community discussing the off-track banter, the drama, the memes, that has grown immensely since Drive to Survive. Here's a shout-out to www.reddit.com/r/formula1! It has maybe become my favorite subreddit on that site. Professionally moderated with semi-regular appearances of drivers or team representatives for Q&A's as well. Every practice session, qualification, race also gets…

/r/formula1 is one of the worst communities I have ever encountered. Every comment on every post is the lowest low effort garbage you can imagine and it suffers hugely from that tunnel vision effect where only one opinion is allowed per topic and anything deviating from the hivemind is quickly buried.

>every post is the lowest low effort garbage you can imagine and it suffers hugely from that tunnel vision effect where only one opinion is allowed per topic and anything deviating from the hivemind is quickly buried

Honestly, this happens in every on-line community with a rabid fanbase. I see it here too, way more often than I would like.

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