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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by doomslice »

a3oB wrote: post #34
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

I, too, live in a very conservative area. > Zelensky is a nazi Considering Trump voters have a history of being called Nazi for the affiliation, I don't see it as a stretch to call Zelensky one for the Ukrainian "Azov Battalion." Think of it as the sword cutting both ways. > the Ukraine war is all CGI This one I see constantly... folks expect 4K quality LiveLeak material to be streaming out of Ukraine. Truth be told…

Whether intentional or not, the way you presented these (including the one about CGI) is how these sorts of conspiracies get wings and spread.

"Oh of course this is not true... except for maybe this little sliver here..."

That's the thing that gets latched onto and eventually the conspiracy nuts argue the whole thing must be true.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#62

Post by snek_case »

fish45 wrote: post #19

Interestingly Zelensky might be easier to deepfake than other world leaders because there's more footage and a wider variety of facial expressions to train on due to his acting career

That's true for now, but eventually, as the technology progresses, it will take very little training data to create deepfakes of anyone unfortunately. Probably just a minute or two of video.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#63

Post by afavour »

crate_barre wrote: post #18
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be. It’s simpler and more insidious than that. I’ll use the old Eleanor Roosevelt quote: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Most people are not that intellectual and probably spent most of their life gossiping. They wouldn’t know how to even discuss certain topics if the low hanging fruit of…

> I’ll use the old Eleanor Roosevelt quote

The quote seems appropriate for a person that doesn’t want to be talked about.

I get what it’s going for but “only small minds talk about people” feels like it serves political elites very well. Don’t talk about me and my conduct. Talk about the generalised idea of conduct by people who are somewhat like me!

I studied politics at university and learned enough about political ideology to last me a lifetime. But my biggest takeaway from history is that ideology almost always plays a back seat to human beings that want to retain or expand their power. Ideas are pretty malleable around that aim.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by a3oB »

doomslice wrote: post #61
a3oB wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, too, live in a very conservative area. > Zelensky is a nazi Considering Trump voters have a history of being called Nazi for the affiliation, I don't see it as a stretch to call Zelensky one for the Ukrainian "Azov Battalion." Think of it as the sword cutting both ways. > the Ukraine war is all CGI This one I see constantly... folks expect 4K quality LiveLeak material to be streaming out of Ukraine. Truth be told…

Whether intentional or not, the way you presented these (including the one about CGI) is how these sorts of conspiracies get wings and spread. "Oh of course this is not true... except for maybe this little sliver here..." That's the thing that gets latched onto and eventually the conspiracy nuts argue the whole thing must be true.

> That's the thing that gets latched onto and eventually the conspiracy nuts argue the whole thing must be true.

Exactly how things operate, "Project Northwoods was true, therefore the government is bad, therefore very real 'Government Program X' is bad" is the general algorithm.

With that said, I'm hacker. I seek the truth and will discuss it regardless of whether some wingnut seizes on it to make a false assumption.

I also have no problem attempting to correct the Boomer Doomers I run into at work and in life... they're just usually happy to go "Oh well, fair enough..." and then go back to watching whatever it is they're on about.

Cotdamn Gell-Mann Amnesia

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by mufufu »

mmaunder wrote: post #20

The quality on this is really awful. Lighting mismatch on the neck, no atmospheric effects, voice sounds robotic, very little movement and it’s unnatural. It’s not even a useful PoC. It’s more like a meme. I think if it actually got some traction in mainstream media - like Marina Ovsyannikova’s fake Twitter account which was quoted by journos, then you could call it a legitimate first.

I don’t know, honestly I felt the opposite way, maybe because I’m not Ukrainian and it’s not my native language. But I found the level of deep fake we can achieve nowadays truly scary. Even if it was a shoddy job, I feel like that’s enough to convince a lot of people, or at least stir confusion

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by kaba0 »

pengstrom wrote: post #36
crate_barre wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be. It’s simpler and more insidious than that. I’ll use the old Eleanor Roosevelt quote: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Most people are not that intellectual and probably spent most of their life gossiping. They wouldn’t know how to even discuss certain topics if the low hanging fruit of…

This seems unnecessarily elitist. I mean, I would be glad if I could get away with just discussing theory and ideas, but reality and practical matters gets in the way. We vote for people, we evaluate people from events.

Also, whether one likes Reddit or not, it has a huge userbase, and each subreddit is pretty much different than another. There are plenty of subreddits with really interesting comment chains.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by crate_barre »

pengstrom wrote: post #36
crate_barre wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be. It’s simpler and more insidious than that. I’ll use the old Eleanor Roosevelt quote: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Most people are not that intellectual and probably spent most of their life gossiping. They wouldn’t know how to even discuss certain topics if the low hanging fruit of…

This seems unnecessarily elitist. I mean, I would be glad if I could get away with just discussing theory and ideas, but reality and practical matters gets in the way. We vote for people, we evaluate people from events.

It’s more frustration than elitism. Take the topic of Machine Learning for example, there’s really few people on planet earth that can discuss the implications of it in detail. To broaden membership into that discussion, you have to provide a lifeline in the context of ‘what are the implications of AI with respect to future work, will humanity ever have to work again?’ - ok, now most people can take part.

The frustration is, why is gossip and conspiracy lifelines necessary for topics that most people should have no issue discussing? You really can’t add anything without that stuff?

Anyways, I heard Hunter Biden is a drug addict, and Putin has cancer, and that’s why he’s invading Ukraine.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by mFixman »

onion2k wrote: post #35
mFixman wrote: post #30

How is this worse than the last 30 years of Photoshopped war images?

People are less aware how well video can be faked with few resources, so they're more likely to believe it.

That's the same moral panic there used to be about Photoshop.

It turned out that people don't believe tricked imaged without any context.

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