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Inside Putin's Circle

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Re: Inside Putin's Circle

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"I believe, however, that Putin and the siloviki (though not many in the wider elites) welcome this isolation [from the west]. They are becoming impressed with the Chinese model: a tremendously dynamic economy, a disciplined society and a growing military superpower ruled over with iron control by a hereditary elite that combines huge wealth with deep patriotism, promoting the idea of China as a separate and superior civilisation."

Money quote.

Re: Inside Putin's Circle

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> These men are known in Russia as the “siloviki” — “men of force”, or perhaps even, in the Irish phrase, “hard men”. Just to clarify. The word "siloviki" made from "силовые структуры", which may be translated literally as "structures of force", or less literally but preserving some meaning "armed organizations" (maybe "armed forces", but I think that in English "armed forces" doesn't include the likes of police and…

"siloviki" is literally a "men of power" ("sila" in Russian is "power" in English) => these include the FSB (an FBI equivalent, or the ex-KGB in practice) and MVD (the police). That's it.

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post #55
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yes, definitely not "hard men", more like what you described, except various intelligence agencies who don't always wear a gun, are also included.

We get what you are trying to say, but people carry guns, they don't wear guns.

What were you hoping the readers of your comment would gain from your comment?

Apologies if this comes off abrasively. This is a genuine question that thought to myself when I read your comment. I can't think of a better way to phrase it.

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post #55

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We get what you are trying to say, but people carry guns, they don't wear guns.

What were you hoping the readers of your comment would gain from your comment? Apologies if this comes off abrasively. This is a genuine question that thought to myself when I read your comment. I can't think of a better way to phrase it.

Edification. Nobody says "wear a gun". It doesn't sound right. Was assuming the commenter was a non-native english speaker and was helping him out.

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> other organization with a dress code that requires a gun Sounds a lot like organized crime, is it supposed to have that undertone?

Policemen wear guns, and it doesn't sound like an organized crime. The root of the word "siloviki" is "sila", which means "force". And it is about using force in order to perform their job. Like policemen do. Or security guards. Or soldiers. And it is not used to refer to crime activities. They also use force, but they are not "siloviki".

Force or power was how I see the translation. These are people using their force or power to their own agenda. It's a useful name IMHO

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post #55

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We get what you are trying to say, but people carry guns, they don't wear guns.

What were you hoping the readers of your comment would gain from your comment? Apologies if this comes off abrasively. This is a genuine question that thought to myself when I read your comment. I can't think of a better way to phrase it.

Learning a nuance of the English language that non-native speakers may lack (and be curious to learn)?

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I had to check pricing after reading your comment. $375/year! That sounds crazy.

Does a dollar a day sound more affordable? Just read the news over a cup of home-brewed coffee instead of getting a take-out, and you should easily break even. :)

For me, no it doesn't.

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post #65

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What were you hoping the readers of your comment would gain from your comment? Apologies if this comes off abrasively. This is a genuine question that thought to myself when I read your comment. I can't think of a better way to phrase it.

Edification. Nobody says "wear a gun". It doesn't sound right. Was assuming the commenter was a non-native english speaker and was helping him out.

I’m a native U.S. English speaker and I didn’t think twice about “wear a gun”. People absolutely say that. It’s not even pedantically incorrect:

2 (b) to carry on the person; wear a sword

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wear

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Wearing+a+gun%22&tbm=bks

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I know this is a selfish perspective but the Ukraine/Russia news cycle has been hitting my mental health pretty hard. Its nice to come here and see the usual interesting techy stuff and get a break from the horror. Not that I disagree with your point. This is a place of intelligent discussion which could perhaps benefit Ukrainians better.

Yes HN is supposed to be about intellectually interesting ideas. And the fight against war and fascism needs those because otherwise we are in deep sh*t. So why not combine the two? The situation with Russia is much about information. HN is about information and IT, no? HN could be the primary forum to discuss ways to counter MIS-information. There seems to be a deep problem in Russia, its citizens are mostly duped b…

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