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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by loudmax »

b3nji wrote: post #41
coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

Everyone has a brain, its up to the individual to treat others with the knowledge that they have different information, perceptions, and experiences. I'm not certain writing off whole swathes of people based on personal perspective is a good plan. Reach out to those you disagree with, be it antivax, flat earth, whatever. They are human, and want the best for themselves, and their family. Try not to "other", if you ca…

It's also exhausting when there are centers manufacturing bullshit on an industrial scale. It's simply easier to manufacture lies than to track down the truth. I don't think the correct answer is the repression of lies, or certainly not in the long term. But fighting for truth without giving up freedom is not easy.

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Post by shabier »

jdrc wrote: post #45
phatfish wrote: post #16

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Right now it is worthless, anything on RT about the "special military operation" is 100% propaganda. It's just fun watching their presenters try to act normal.

it is, and that's important to know. most russians (and more importantly russians abroad) are presented with the same tired old propaganda they always did

> most russians (and more importantly russians abroad) are presented with the same tired old propaganda they always did

I'm going to be thát guy; do you have sources to support that claim? I've been hearing about that sentiment but haven't seen any data about it.

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Post by _kbh_ »

logicchains wrote: post #33
NicoJuicy wrote: post #11

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CNN is also not party owned... It may have similar views to eg. democrats, but that's not even remotely similar. Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Note: Yeah, thought so.

>Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN.

Is this why they invaded Georgia in 2008?. Russia sure as a habit of invading former soviet states them claiming some rubbish as a justification why.

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Post by mopsi »

iso1210 wrote: post #23
yrgulation wrote: post #20

The fact that pro putin’s propaganda channel comments are getting upvoted, while those against are downvoted says a lot about the type of people that use this forum. Russia today and sputnik constantly promote anti western values, politicians and groups and are a major source of misinformation yet some call banning these weapons of war censorship. Appalling.

HN has some of the most pro-putin comments I see anywhere. These are established accounts with years of history talking about tech, so not Russian bots or whatever.

Not everyone is a paid shill. Lots of tech people are Russians and/or from Russia and support the war in Ukraine. Independent polling shows that the majority of people in Russia support the war, including the majority of the highly educated.

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Post by simion314 »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #53
simion314 wrote: post #43

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>Not sure what country you're referring to, but there's certainly no such rule in the US, Australia, or the UK. In the US it would be unconstitutional. So in US you can say on newspaper or TV things like "Bob did X" and Bob can do nothing about it? I thought the at least justice can demand Bob to be paid damages and the newspaper/TV to show a retraction. I mean are you free to denigrate people in US with no consequen…

In the US, there are slander and libel laws that you can be sued for if you print something that is untrue. But if you are a public figure or entity, you have to prove not just that an untruth was printed but also that it was done with "actual malice". Which country were you referring to specifically? I don't know any that require presenting both sides of a political issue as a general rule.

I am from Romania, our constitution is mostly based on France if I am not mistaken, maybe you can translate this https://www.lighthousecommunications.ro/blog/tot-ce-trebuie-...

there is the obligation that if you presented false acuzations(not opinions) about someone you are forced to give this person the right to present his defense, also the editors of the news are responsible for the things they published.

So you are not forced to invite both sides when presenting general news, this is the journalist code though, to always ask the other side for a comment.

I remember about this TV channel that was a pile of shit and got tons of fines and finally was closed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTV_(Romanian_TV_channel)

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Post by shabier »

fer wrote: post #38
newsclues wrote: post #22

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It’s not worthless if you contrast it to the propaganda from CNN.

It's worthless since everything on RT is "Russia is always right, the rest are always wrong, and also they're Nazis/fascists/imperialists, and America/NATO did it too btw".

So it is western media but from a Russian POV

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Post by keymone »

coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

RT reported about ukrainian army crucifying a child in Donbas in 2014 which literally caused some people in Russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention to kill ukrainians.

No, RT should be banned and every person working for it should be jailed for life.

Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred.

Edit: here, educate yourself - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucified_boy

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Post by friedturkey »

logicchains wrote: post #39
0xcoffee wrote: post #30

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In theory I agree with you, but it's not like silencing 'ideas and argument you disagree with' Look at this: https://www.rt.com/russia/551384-russia-ukraine-nuclear-fals... >“The SBU and the militants of the Azov Battalion are planning to blow up the reactor and accuse the Russian Armed Forces of allegedly launching a missile attack on the experimental nuclear facility,” This isn't a discussion in which people are ar…

Given that some of the Azov are literally Nazis ( https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/german-tv-s... ), that's hardly completely beyond the realms of possibility. Or we're supposed to start giving Nazis the benefit of the doubt now just because Russia started it?

Russia is also a known hotbed for neonazis. So is Alabama. Just because a region has small factions of race extremists it doesn’t mean they’re blowing up nuclear reactors.

But Russia’s history of false flag operations and whataboutism are so well-documented that it’s literally a textbook example. They’ve invaded Georgia and Ukraine before using the same exact lies. Putin’s history in Chechnya is also horrific. So you should trust Russia saying they’re coming to liberate someone as much as you should trust a certain other country coming to liberate someone: you shouldn’t.

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Post by pydry »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #50
herdcall wrote: post #32

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Yes, but I'm not sure we can trust what's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky either, like 10K Russians killed, victory is imminent, etc. This way at least we may get tidbits from the other side, including arguments/thoughts from Russia side. E.g., I saw a post yesterday on Medium that Ukraine is discriminating against black refugees ( https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-pe... ). If you're only liste…

listening to the other extreme isn't giving you their POV or even their perception of reality. it just gives you what they want you to believe, and more propaganda. if the aim is not simply more entertainment for our lizard brain (voluntary indoctrination while being also fully aware that this is what's happening), then the better way for seeking truth isn't to hear all sides but to find outlets that are not having a…

Al Jazeera is probably the closest to that. They actually interviewed some DPR/LPR rebels, for instance. You wouldnt catch CNN doing that.

They also seem to put the greatest emphasis on human suffering, which is a bias im in favor of.

There is value to reading propaganda to have wider visibility though, especially since most propaganda selectively presents the truth rather than outright lying and both sides will often simply choose to present similar events in a different context.

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Post by keymone »

pyronik19 wrote: post #6
NicoJuicy wrote: post #4

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It's pure propaganda by now. Even journalists of RT in the West decided to quit their job ( publicly announced through Twitter), because it went insane.

It'd be nice if the "journalist" at CNN had the same kind of integrity.

Are you for real comparing integrity of CNN and RT?

Show me a single outright lie CNN published, comparable to RT publishing a story that ukrainian army crucified a child on a main square in 2014 which caused some people in russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention of killing ukrainians.

Edit: here, educate yourself - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucified_boy

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