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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by snek_case »

asats wrote: post #3

Two out of the last three remaining somewhat independent media that were still operating in the country (already under major restrictions) were also shut down, TV rain just did their last transmission and walked out of the studio crying: https://youtu.be/e4an0MlF27k?t=11397 Twitter and facebook are being blocked. Youtube and group chats in telegram/signal/etc are the only things left right now. 7670 people have been…

Very similar to what China has done. Seems that it's unfortunately pretty effective. Control the information the people are fed and they control public opinion.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by ch4s3 »

klyrs wrote: post #57
ch4s3 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not really a good comparison. Being an asshole to journalists if really different than putting them in jail for their reporting. The difference here is that some Republicans who have no power to actually do that talk shit about doing it, but Putin actually jails a lot of journalists.

Meanwhile, on page 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30541671

What do you want me to say? They shouldn't be doing that and anyone involved should be booted out of government. I've long argued that most of the really awful shit done by the US domestically is perpetrated by local governments. They're still not going to be able to successfully prosecute any journalists.

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Post by ch4s3 »

klyrs wrote: post #58
ch4s3 wrote: post #55

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My claims is that the phrase "the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet" is overblown nonsense. There are a mere handful of marginal Republican nobodies who support this stuff and we saw for 4 years that the courts are happy to slap down any US politician makes big constitutional missteps.

No, that phrase isn't 100% true. Trump didn't wage war on Brietbart, OAN, and the like. Only "mainstream media" like CNN and even Fox when they reported what he called "fake news," actually facts he didn't like.

It's also not true at all. There was no war on any journalists. I'm not aware of a single journalist jailed by the Trump DOJ, the FCC didn't yank any licenses, nothing. It was all talk.

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Post by jgwil2 »

dev_by_day wrote: post #53
electrondood wrote: post #32

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Bullshit false equivalence. I notice that Democrats aren't forming white supremacist militias, plotting to kidnap state governors, attacking Congress specifically to overturn the results of a national election, etc.

Plenty of equivalence actually. Democrats encourage anarchist militias who openly advocate for violence and arson, try to de-legitimize election results through "Russia-Gate" conspiracies, openly cheered on the fire bombing and attacking of police officers and government buildings(court houses), spread misinformation about the Kyle Rittenhouse despite all expert legal analysis saying they were misinformed.

> try to de-legitimize election results through "Russia-Gate" conspiracies

US intelligence confirmed that Russia tried to swing an election, so this isn't a "conspiracy." As for the rest of your points, those positions were never embraced by mainstream Democrats.

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Post by kmeisthax »

swayvil wrote: post #22
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

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It's one thing for Zuckerberg to ban you, and another thing for Putin to do the same. If Facebook bans you, you can go somewhere else. But they aren't the only game in town and their power is limited to refusing to serve you. If a government bans you, that means almost certain death.

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Post by metamet »

stronglikedan wrote: post #50
_ph_ wrote: post #35

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As a non-american, I can see how some actions of the left seem to be a bit over the top and as things escalated might really got a bit extreme too. But is a push against racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights really wrong? Do you notice, how much people, who stand for those issues, get attacked in the public discussion?

> racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights The thing is, those are all non-issues now, and have been for a while. The reason the MSM is known as fake news in the US, is that they keep trying to push these as current issues, even though they've been settled.

They certainly aren't non-issues.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/florida-s-don-t-...

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/judg...

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Post by polskado »

ch4s3 wrote: post #49
gre wrote: post #38

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I don't read Russian, so I can't comment on that article. I don't find the anti-semitism charge very credible, he speaks out against anti-semitism very strongly in both the Gulag Archipelago, and several essays. He also claimed that an anti-semitic essay attributed to him was a hatched job by the KGB, which seems at least possible. I also stand by my claim that he was a brilliant writer. I think if you try to take ev…

It’s not credible, and anyone who has read more Solzhenitsyn than a summary of Two Hundred Years Together knows that.

When he published it he spoke of Jewish friends praising Russian silence on the history he covered. This is kind of the same thing. There is a really unfortunate tendency by certain groups to equivocate criticism of historical Jewish actions with criticism of the Jewish people, and the word antisemitic has lost almost all meaning as a result. Reaction to that book is far from the sole example.

It is possible to criticize the behavior of certain historical Jews without filling your heart with hate for an entire people and preaching Hitler’s ideologies. That is a nuance that is lost by Jewish people who call others “antisemitic” at the first hint of criticism. That said, however, it is also somewhat fair because the Jewish people have endured unspeakable horrors in a blink of history.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by malfist »

EtherTyper wrote: post #46
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Or for a more concrete example, look at how both Republicans and Democrats are treating Julian Assange. Investigative journalism and whistleblowing are under attack by all political factions and by the justice system, today. We cannot treat anti-free-press authoritarianism in the West as an "early stage" or tomorrow's problem.

Julian Assange isn't a journalist though. He was a contractor trusted with protected information which he then publicized. There's a big difference between a journalist finding and publishing information, and a mole in our government sharing our secrets with people.

And that's ignoring the whole rape thing with Assange.

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