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Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by Razengan »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

The West has always demonized Russia.

“Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now.

After America worked so hard to unleash the most destructive weapon in human history, everyone should have cowed and crowned them the undisputed hegemons of the Earth. The idea of anyone daring to set themselves up as an antipode was extremely offensive.

Even after the fall of the USSR and the convenient appearance of Muslims and Chinese offering themselves as adversary to All That We Cherish, apparently the West can’t resist such a big and easy dart board to pin their failings upon;

Unrest in foreign nations? It’s the Russians. Division at home? Damn Ruskies again.

I wonder if some racism also comes into play here; Here we were, after so much War, with all the white nations agreeing to get along hereafter, but then there’s these “other” white people who are somehow different and don’t want to play along.

After we snuff out Russia, who will we turn upon next?

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by Ajef »

Razengan wrote: post #61
randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

The West has always demonized Russia. “Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now. After America worked so hard to unleash the most destructive weapon in human history, everyone should have cowed and crowned them the undisputed hegemons of the Earth. The idea of anyone daring to set themselves up as an antipode was extremely offensive. Even after the fall of the US…

> “Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now.

This is a very US perspective I think. Here in Germany there are many that think communism is fairer than capitalism (although perhaps unrealistic to attain). Insulting something/someone by saying something is communist or someone is a commy is not really something that happens here (except perhaps in politics).

[Edit] Just to add some perspective:

Communist parties in european parliament

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_parties_repr...

Even large european countries have communist parties, some even voted into office (such as france, spain) and in the case of Spain even in the ruling coalition.

Implying this is a western view neglects to realize how much US vs. Soviet propaganda has shaped the US population.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

orangepurple wrote: post #43
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What assurances do they need? Western world has had peace for decades and only Russians have been the aggressors in any form. They are not getting any kind of buffer in fact do to this invasion they have forced Finland and Sweden to join NATO or face the same fate as Ukraine within the next decade.

You're right, absolutely nothing of note happened in the middle east 2001-2020 /s

TIL Middle east is part of the Western world

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by robbedpeter »

robbedpeter wrote: post #26
yanmaani wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Knowingly and intentionally" seems to apply to the operation (e.g. "you know that you're running a Tor node") - "circumvention" is on the basis of "object or effect". (For ESL speakers: "object" means "goal", "effect" means "result", and Tor obviously has a final, de-facto result of unblocking RT)

If you ran a tor node and piped the content of RT to newpipetoRT.com you're in violation, but having a tor node might be comparable to operating a ham radio relay. If someone in Moscow transmitted RT encrypted over radio and decrypts it in Germany, the radio relay wouldn't necessarily be in violation. We live in a networked world. There's an unbroken physical connection between your hardwired ISP connection and every…

WiMax* not woman, oops.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by peregren »

Razengan wrote: post #61
randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

The West has always demonized Russia. “Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now. After America worked so hard to unleash the most destructive weapon in human history, everyone should have cowed and crowned them the undisputed hegemons of the Earth. The idea of anyone daring to set themselves up as an antipode was extremely offensive. Even after the fall of the US…

Do you think Russia are being unfairly demonised by western countries right now? Is the invasion of Ukraine, + war crimes in some way just?

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by delusional »

yanmaani wrote: post #57
paxys wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who do you think is supplying Ukraine with the weapons that are causing half these deaths? Who is feeding them real-time intelligence? The Russian economy is crippled by EU sanctions. Their foreign reserves are frozen. Russian planes cannot fly into EU airspace. Russian oligarchs are having their assets seized across Europe. Diplomats are being expelled on both sides. These are not the actions between neutral, peacef…

Europe, Europe, and Europe. But it isn't actually a war. A war is a horrible, brutal thing. Wikipedia tells us: > War is an intense armed conflict between states, governments, societies, or paramilitary groups such as mercenaries, insurgents, and militias. It is generally characterized by extreme violence, aggression, destruction, and mortality, using regular or irregular military forces. When you describe what the r…

I think Europe has pretty clearly shown (by their actions) that they are mobilizing the machinery of war. They don't have (many) people currently in harms way, we are content letting Ukrainians fight it out for now, but the machine is humming.

The machine of war isn't monolithic, and what you're seeing is that certain parts of it (like shutting down opposing propaganda) can be started without other parts (like literal fighting) being needed.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by rwmj »

perlpimp wrote: post #29
randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

Point reference - I try to block RT on YouTube but videos are being sprinkled into recommended list and I try to click to not show this channel anymore, but it persists. Real annoying, if I have autoplay their vids would jump on the list as well as I am preoccupied. Not sure how they are gaming YT algo.

I wonder (from a technical and legal point of view) if Youtube is blocking RT content in the EU, especially videos which are reuploaded.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by delusional »

Ajef wrote: post #62
Razengan wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The West has always demonized Russia. “Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now. After America worked so hard to unleash the most destructive weapon in human history, everyone should have cowed and crowned them the undisputed hegemons of the Earth. The idea of anyone daring to set themselves up as an antipode was extremely offensive. Even after the fall of the US…

> “Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now. This is a very US perspective I think. Here in Germany there are many that think communism is fairer than capitalism (although perhaps unrealistic to attain). Insulting something/someone by saying something is communist or someone is a commy is not really something that happens here (except perhaps in politics). [Edit]…

I can attest to this. "Communist" is a slightly dirty word here in Denmark, but nowhere near the levels of the US.

I think the general consensus here is that the USSR was a shitty totalitarian state that failed for shitty totalitarian reasons. Communism was just what they called their brand of totalitarianism. In reality it was a corrupt dictatorship.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by mediumsmart »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

It is made illegal precisely because it is not trash fire propaganda. Read some coverage of this crisis on there and judge for yourself.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by throwawayffffas »

yanmaani wrote: post #12
darkengine wrote: post #9

I'm the furthest thing from a lawyer, but "knowingly and intentionally" sounds to my lay self like it's a test of mens rea. If I were operating a Tor node in the EU, I would probably assume until stated otherwise that operating a Tor node remained legal, as long as I wasn't operating that node with the intention of circumventing the ban on RT.

"Knowingly and intentionally" seems to apply to the operation (e.g. "you know that you're running a Tor node") - "circumvention" is on the basis of "object or effect". (For ESL speakers: "object" means "goal", "effect" means "result", and Tor obviously has a final, de-facto result of unblocking RT)

In cases like this the government would have to prove the intention to circumvent the RT ban which is pretty much impossible in the case of tor.

This sections is essentially targeting people who would for example start a "not-rt.eu" broadcasting rt content.

Instead the more important question is whether people running tor have to take measures to block access to RT as they may be ISPs.

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