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Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Sounds good. While they're at it, also: - cut off Israel from GitHub for the occupation of Palestine - cut off Saudi Arabia from GitHub for the invasion of Yemen - cut off the US from GitHub for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq - etc. No double standards for the same imperialisms, please.

Not the same imperialism. The US was clearly never planning to stay in Iraq and Afghanistan. They grossly miscalculated. For Russia this is a war of expansion. I think under those conditions Israel could be cut off though.

Interesting how that additional criteria conveniently excludes the US.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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>Also: I have yet to see such suggestions directed at the US or Israeli population Then you can't have looked very hard because there's a plethora of boycott movements against Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sancti... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycotts_of_Israel_in_sports There's even a Github example: https://web.archive.org/web/20200923222519/https://github.co...

BDS is literally a movement by Palestinians directed at their war-enemy next door. That would be like Ukrainians boycotting Russians now. You get the point ...

I don't get your point, actually. Of course the US or Israel won't boycott themselves.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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I imagine if the whole world was using a Russian VCS site, and silicon valley was a region of moscow these same discussions would take place in reverse. Cutting off the US for their invasion of Iraq would have seemed pretty reasonable. But maybe not so much, since that country was provably ruled by a dictator, so people wouldn’t feel the same about the attack as about one made on a liberal democracy.

"Imagine if the good guys were bad and the bad guys good." But they aren't. And you know why? Because you can't have creativity and innovations without freedom. You can't have money and success without a population where the best and most successful are allowed to create and keep a large part of the value they build. This is why dictatorships never build Silicon Valleys while their best and brightest quietly emigrate…

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Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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"Imagine if the good guys were bad and the bad guys good." But they aren't. And you know why? Because you can't have creativity and innovations without freedom. You can't have money and success without a population where the best and most successful are allowed to create and keep a large part of the value they build. This is why dictatorships never build Silicon Valleys while their best and brightest quietly emigrate…

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Yeah, I know it's trendy and useful to muddy the waters convince people we're all the same but we aren't really: some of us invade and kill their neighbors when they show signs of becoming "too independent".

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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For even less, for just being Ukranian.

Any proofs? Please send me a link to an article where some Ukrainians were killed by their own government forces (that’s an important point) for being Ukrainian. Or for some protest actions. From my side, I can easily send you hundreds of links to prove that you can be jailed just for clicking the “like” button in Russia.

That's not what I mean.

I mean Russians are murdering Ukranians right now.

So the least Russians opposed to it could do is protest even under threat of arrest. Protests already are happening in Russian cities so it is possible.

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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No one wants any harm to the Russian people, but they too must do something to stop their madman. I know it is much more dangerous for them than for us keyboard pundits, but it is their responsibility. Think how much more dangerous it is for Ukrainians.

How about China?

“Whataboutism” is not helpful. Focus on the problem at hand.

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Yeah, I know it's trendy and useful to muddy the waters convince people we're all the same but we aren't really: some of us invade and kill their neighbors when they show signs of becoming "too independent".

The US have done much worse over the years.

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That still doesn't explain why we are free from santions in the US. Why aren't we expected to overthrow our warmongering leaders? WMD turned out to be just as credible as Putin's Nazis.

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BDS is literally a movement by Palestinians directed at their war-enemy next door. That would be like Ukrainians boycotting Russians now. You get the point ...

I don't get your point, actually. Of course the US or Israel won't boycott themselves.

Sure, but let me give you an example of what I mean: "The consensus view of the international community is that Israeli settlements are illegal and constitute a violation of international law." [0]

Yet, have you seen any western govt demand sanctions on the Israeli population for that? Have you seen this guy here demand github be banned for all Israelis? Of course not - and that's just the moral double standards I'm calling out.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israel...

Re: Cut Russia from GitHub due to invasion of Ukraine

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Yeah, I know it's trendy and useful to muddy the waters convince people we're all the same but we aren't really: some of us invade and kill their neighbors when they show signs of becoming "too independent".

The US have done much worse over the years.

Everybody has done much worse over the years. But today, right now, it's Russia invading and killing their neighbors.
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