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25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by throw0101a »

wyager wrote: post #27
sschueller wrote: post #20

The reason this is available for this price in every house in the city of Zürich is because of a law that passed requiring every house to have fiber. The infrastructure is operated by the power and phone company and any service provider can use this fiber. I hope the whole of Switzerland will do something similar because there are still a lot of places without good internet and fiber is quite future proof. Home offic…

> fiber is quite future proof To give an example - OS2 single-mode fiber is the standard fiber for contemporary datacenter deployments and I assume also for last-mile deployments. It's super cheap (less than 20cpf for indoor cable, whereas cat7 copper is closer to 60cpf), has an insane range (a standard $25 fiber PHY can operate with a cable from 0m-10km), and has an insane bandwidth limit (it's currently used for ev…

> If you're wiring a home today, I would 100% use OS2 over CatN unless you also need PoE.

OS2 is not needed for most homes. Use multi-mode fibre (OM4 or OM5), which can do 25-100 Gbps @100m (or more):

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-mode_optical_fiber

You'd have to have quite a house to need internal runs longer than 100m (300'). For runs up to 100m: 2.5 Gbps can be done with Cat5e, 5G with Cat6, and 10G with Cat6A:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_over_twisted_pair#Var...

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by hnov »

sidpatil wrote: post #36
wyager wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fiber is quite future proof To give an example - OS2 single-mode fiber is the standard fiber for contemporary datacenter deployments and I assume also for last-mile deployments. It's super cheap (less than 20cpf for indoor cable, whereas cat7 copper is closer to 60cpf), has an insane range (a standard $25 fiber PHY can operate with a cable from 0m-10km), and has an insane bandwidth limit (it's currently used for ev…

> If you're wiring a home today, I would 100% use OS2 over CatN unless you also need PoE. Won't you end up with a bunch of media converters everywhere though?

If I were wiring a home, I'd probably run some multimode fiber alongside CAT6 or maybe even 2 shielded CAT6 to support a secondary LAN like for surveillance cameras.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by was_a_dev »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #53

25 Gbit sounds nice, but even my 1 Gbit line is mostly wasted. I use a Raspberry Pi as my torrent box which seems to cap out at 7 MB/sec write speed. Even Steam tends to only download at 30-50 MB/sec most of the time. People tend to grossly overestimate how much bandwidth they need, especially non-technical people. Even a 100 Mbit connection is more than capable of letting a family of five all stream Netflix at the s…

I currently pay for 78Mbps for myself and my partner. At most I am going to downloading something from steam (~10Mbps), watching something from YouTube (~10Mbps) and my partner will be streaming something to the TV (~10Mbps)

Even at this extreme there's still ample headroom, and our rate is ISP limited; so the line can do much more.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by uvesten »

digitallyfree wrote: post #12

I would expect such a service to ban hosting services on the "private" plan, or have strict conditions on what is considered acceptable use. However I see nothing of that sort in their contracts with the exception of this line in their Contractual Conditions. "3. Fair Use Policy The Internet subscriptions for private customers are intended for normal personal use. Init7 reserves the right to temporarily or permanentl…

It’s just a great internet provider, which very much caters to techies. They supply the plug in the wall, you provide your own router etc.

I guess the key is that they _are_ actually more expensive than the competition here, and they provide less ”value”.

But less is very much more in this case, since you don’t have to use a locked-down provider-specific router. I guess they save money that way too.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by swashboon »

uvesten wrote: post #48

This is the ISP that I’m using, and they are insanely great, imho. I especially like that you get a static IPv6 /28 for free, something that has finally made me learn IPv6 in depth. Still only on 1 Gb/s fiber though, because I havent found any router that is 10 or 25 Gbps that I’d really like to have at home. Are there any good consumer-grade 10 or 25 gbps routers? Also, what is up with all computers _still_ having 1…

There is really just not much point. The most data intensive thing a normal user will run into is 4k streaming and that will work on a 100mbs cat5 fine. No server is going to push that much content to a single user so unless there is P2P it would be pretty hard to saturate that much. Every use case involving 10 GbE is specialized so there is no point adding the cost to consumer hardware...

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by joshstrange »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #58
joshstrange wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dang, that's rough. I'll fully admit I got super lucky. My ISP is MetroNet and you wouldn't necessarily think Lexington, KY would have fiber at all or if they did that it would be a good deal but thankfully MetroNet serves my area and has great prices. I wish they were in OH as well so I could move my parents over to them, they are stuck on Spectrum.

They're in Ohio now in a limited area: https://getmetronetinternet.com/availability/#metronet-ohio They're expanding aggressively in those areas, too.

That’s great news! Still waiting on Columbus/Dublin but I’ll keep an eye out. Last I checked I don’t think they had anything in OH so this is progress.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by bombcar »

uvesten wrote: post #48

This is the ISP that I’m using, and they are insanely great, imho. I especially like that you get a static IPv6 /28 for free, something that has finally made me learn IPv6 in depth. Still only on 1 Gb/s fiber though, because I havent found any router that is 10 or 25 Gbps that I’d really like to have at home. Are there any good consumer-grade 10 or 25 gbps routers? Also, what is up with all computers _still_ having 1…

Mikrotik has some stuff but it's not much: https://mikrotik.com/product/rb5009ug_s_in#fndtn-testresults is basically it unless you want to go to the $1k cloud router: https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2116_12g_4splus#fndtn-testre...

Not much is really out there for routing to the internet at those speeds; there's lots of stuff for 10GBe in-house, and some machines are starting to come with it (it's power hungry). The Mac mini can come with it, for example. I have a decent setup at home with some 10GBe cards in some old servers through a 4 port SPF 10GBe switch.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by TheSoftwareGuy »

jewel wrote: post #6

What sort of opportunities would open up if this sort of connection were ubiquitous? I could see netbooting your desktop to avoid having to buy a hard drive. Also instead of downloading large game assets they could just stream on demand. (Even though downloads would go really fast anyway.) 4K and 8K video streams are already done reasonably at 100 mbps. Some sort of 3D point cloud streaming?

Probably better video calls for one thing. If more bandwidth is available then you don't need to do as much work copmressing & decompressing the signal on each end

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by zokier »

I got a feeling that any service not sitting behind a major CDN would struggle to feed more than handful of 25Gbit/s clients. That is maybe the biggest reason I feel >1Gbps for consumers at this point is kinda dubious prospect.
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