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The Day AppGet Died (2020)

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Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#61
As founder and main developer of a product, I feel that both the first suggestion of an aqui-hire and the second suggestion of getting a regular job at MSFT are completely ludicrous. Far too weak.

Framing this as becoming an employee at MSFT directly establishes a position of inferiority. This should have been about a licensing deal with the option to purchase some premium support on top to facilitate the integration. A B2B deal will never involve HR.

You don't have to be a tough negotiator yourself, but then please seek advice from a manager representing you.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#63
post #40

was there some way to have prevented or mitigated this?

Don't know about the cloning of his product, but in terms of negotiation: Don't let yourself get strung along just because someone waves something you want in front of your face.

It's absolutely vital in any negotiation that you set boundaries and that you are are willing to walk away if those boundaries aren't respected. Especially if you really want what they are offering.

In all, it seems the ball spent a lot of the time in their court, and not a lot in his. Either they want the guy or they don't, he shouldn't have to spend months jumping through hoops for the position if they are legitimately interested in his work.

It kinda reads like a Nigeria scam: Just give us one more month and you'll get the money, I swear. It's tied up with customs right now, so if you could just do this one thing...

Whatever bureaucracy they have to deal with is entirely their problem, not his. This tedious non-committal nonsense is not something you should tolerate from anyone. Sure if it's a 2 person startup things may not be smooth, but this is Microsoft we're talking about. They should have their shit together more than that.

Within the general context of someone offering you a position based on your work, they have the privilege of talking to you and should be expected to treat you at least like a peer and not like some random job applicant desperate to get hired.

I don't mean to suggest you should be a diva about it, but that you should respect yourself and be willing to say no to anyone who doesn't.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#64

I've read this several times before, and every time I do it hurts just as much. Every time I read of another person who built something useful, so much so that it gets recognised by big-corp X, and being called in by Google or Microsoft, promised the recognition (and pay) they deserve, then having the rug pulled at light-speed from under them, I take it personally. I'm amazed, every time I read "The Day AppGet Died"…

> Keivan should probably be a (multi) millionaire now, sitting comfortably with his family doing whatever it is they enjoy doing. Instead, someone at Microsoft used this as a way to get themselves a promotion.

To be fair, AppGet was never really that popular, and Microsoft's replacement is even less so. I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of WinGet in the market. They're lucky Microsoft doesn't dissolve the team. We use Chocolatey instead, which I think is more popular (but still not very popular).

I have no horse in the race, nor do I know anything special about this situation, but it's fairly clear to me that the author failed the interview. I don't know if he understands that and is trying to downplay it, or if he doesn't realize that's what happened. That's why everything dried up after the interview, and why the followup says the position "didn't work out."

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#65

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What? You have all the power. You send an email and then stop buying their services. 'To whom it concerns, you guys are shitty so I'm cancelling services.'

Sure, just delete your iCloud account, Microsoft account, Amazon account, Netflix account and Google account. It's so easy that anyone could do it!

Out of those I only have Google, even though I use it only for spam e-mails these days, having opted for Protonmail for the real stuff. The only reason I still have a Google Account is that my Pinephone Pro hasn't arrived yet. Once I get it and figure out it fills my most critical needs, the Google account gets shredded too.

Giving up on Netflix and Spotify was much less difficult than expected.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#66

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And they are the company that bought Skype, forced me to create Microsoft accounts and then mess things up, now they boutght Minecraft and I just receive an ultimatum to switch my Mojang account to a Microsoft account. F U MS, can't you let me login with existing shit,. On a different topic, I am using some MS APIs at work (TTS stuff) and my impression of this MS products is bad, it feels like different teams that ha…

I don't understand this complaint. You want separate logins for every service? You can't even argue that there are privacy issues - these are now all part of the same company. Separate logins incur a cost to both the service operator (who has to run multiple secure identity systems, build multiple 2FA systems, manage multiple customer service teams, etc) and the client (who has to remember multiple passwords). Consol…

I'm talking about using your PC, not logging into Microsoft's online services. Using the same account for Microsoft's possessions like Xbox and Minecraft and Skype makes sense. That's fine. But you know something? Microsoft doesn't own my god damned computer.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#67

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I don't understand this complaint. You want separate logins for every service? You can't even argue that there are privacy issues - these are now all part of the same company. Separate logins incur a cost to both the service operator (who has to run multiple secure identity systems, build multiple 2FA systems, manage multiple customer service teams, etc) and the client (who has to remember multiple passwords). Consol…

This is a lame excuse, say what after the forced account migration is my pourchase invalid? Will Microsoft just drop the db table with my purchase and logins? Will they refuse to migrate people after? No, they have to keep all that data and confirm even 2 years from now that I paid for this game and migrate my logins , Tell me know what is more expensive 1 Keep the Mojang logins for Java edition. do nothing 2 Write t…

They fucked up my skype account move

Ah yes, the old "you had a Microsoft account you didn't know about so when we merged the two any contacts you didn't have on both accounts were permanently erased" trick. Happened to me.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#68

I've read this several times before, and every time I do it hurts just as much. Every time I read of another person who built something useful, so much so that it gets recognised by big-corp X, and being called in by Google or Microsoft, promised the recognition (and pay) they deserve, then having the rug pulled at light-speed from under them, I take it personally. I'm amazed, every time I read "The Day AppGet Died"…

> Keivan should probably be a (multi) millionaire now, sitting comfortably with his family doing whatever it is they enjoy doing. Instead, someone at Microsoft used this as a way to get themselves a promotion. To be fair, AppGet was never really that popular, and Microsoft's replacement is even less so. I'd be surprised if anyone got a promotion based on their WinGet work. There has been no significant adoption of Wi…

They also don't really promote it as far as I can tell. I didn't find out about it until I was looking up some stuff about choco. It's terrible what they did to this guy. I know he shared his stuff as open source but still to string him along for over a year whilst also having a team working on what he had built and barely acknowledging it or helping him out in some way.

Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? You have all the power. You send an email and then stop buying their services. 'To whom it concerns, you guys are shitty so I'm cancelling services.'

Sure, just delete your iCloud account, Microsoft account, Amazon account, Netflix account and Google account. It's so easy that anyone could do it!

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Re: The Day AppGet Died (2020)

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they are the company that bought Skype, forced me to create Microsoft accounts and then mess things up, now they boutght Minecraft and I just receive an ultimatum to switch my Mojang account to a Microsoft account. F U MS, can't you let me login with existing shit,. On a different topic, I am using some MS APIs at work (TTS stuff) and my impression of this MS products is bad, it feels like different teams that ha…

I don't understand this complaint. You want separate logins for every service? You can't even argue that there are privacy issues - these are now all part of the same company. Separate logins incur a cost to both the service operator (who has to run multiple secure identity systems, build multiple 2FA systems, manage multiple customer service teams, etc) and the client (who has to remember multiple passwords). Consol…

Yeah, people like to block off parts of their life. It's not really that hard to manage accounts with password managers and saved sessions. Microsoft doesn't need to have everything at their greedy little fingertips to data mine.
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