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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by colechristensen »

vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

It doesn't look like, it is authoritarian response to something which should be protected.

Using government power intended for things like war to suppress a protest is ridiculous, if this is what being "liberal" is about, I'm out.

I hope the response is a protest escalation. Not my country, not my protest, but I know who I'm rooting for.

Contrast this to what was happening in Minneapolis a couple of summers ago... people burning down buildings, shops, and police stations and the fire and police literally afraid to go places in the city until we had armed forces marching through the streets. Those are the kind of popular uprisings that need to be dealt with, not streets being blocked by unhappy people.

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Post by tomohawk »

makomk wrote: post #24

Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

This is what happens when the person in charge is under confident. He's lost control by trying to exercise too much control for too long, and is obviously now desperate to get that back. Such pride and arrogance.

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Post by Jackim »

busymom0 wrote: post #41
joshlemer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protesters are still allowed to protest peacefully, they just aren't allowed to occupy the area around parliament and shut down border crossings for weeks, and intimidate and enact violence against the citizens of Ottawa. Nobody is stopping anyone from peacefully protesting in Canada, give your head a shake.

> enact violence against the citizens of Ottawa That hasn't happened. Grossly exaggerated statements are not what I and my friends who have been at the Ottawa protest for 3 weeks have seen. We aren't living in 1950s. Everyone has a phone camera now a days and Ottawa, the capital, has security cameras everywhere and yet none of this ever gets captured on camera and nobody seems to capture the face of the people suppos…

Personal anecdotal evidence does not disprove that very real violence has occurred and continues to occur in my city.

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Post by 908B64B197 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #36
vorpalhex wrote: post #8

> The Emergencies Act is the modern-day replacement to the War Measures Act. It allows the federal government to force companies to provide services, it can require public protests to end, and limit mobility rights by preventing people from moving to designating areas. > > The act also allows for the military to be used as police, but several sources said that is not under active consideration. Not a good look for Tr…

> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia... The current approach seems to be a lot more mild than what the public would accept.

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Post by MattGaiser »

nirav72 wrote: post #33

This is definately going to back fire on him and his administration. There weren't any major incidence of violence or rioting. They got the bridge cleared. He should've left it at that and let it fizzle out.

> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia...

The current approach seems to be a lot more mild than what the public would accept.

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Post by karpierz »

vorpalhex wrote: post #38
TeeMassive wrote: post #7

The people who thinks this will degenerate to violence will be disappointed. The truckers are normal people with mouths to feed and a retirement plan to save, not a militia made of radicals, as we saw at the bridge. What will happen however is that the problem just going to be moved elsewhere. Trucks might begin to slow down, citizens might continue to assemble, in Ottawa or elsewhere. How protesters are going to fin…

I recommend reading up on Shay's rebellion from US history: https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/shays-rebellion The truckers assert their livelihoods are already heavily impacted. This crowd appears to be much larger than simply anti-vaxxers.

Shay's rebellion consisted of veterans, still armed with their weapons from the rebellion they'd fought a few years ago, at a time where the US government didn't have a standing army. I don't think those lessons quite transfer over here.

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Post by tedivm »

e4e78a06 wrote: post #47
itslennysfault wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeeeeeah, I don't know about that. Anyone with their truck there risks forfeiting the asset that was used in commission of a crime. AKA their livelihood and likely most expensive asset. There is certainly not a bottomless pit of people wishing to do that.

Confiscating peoples' assets does not exactly engender you to a lot of political support. You're risking a massive loss in the next elections if you do that, just like how Democrats in the US are also facing huge electoral pressures on crime and COVID restrictions [1]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/us/politics/new-york-mask...

This idea that there's a crime wave seems to be pushed here and on reddit by month old accounts with no real proof. The reality is that crime is down in most places.

Lets look at San Francisco. I'm going to get my stats right from the San Francisco Police Department.

Homocide - Down 20%

Rape - Down 23.8%

Robbery - Down 20.7%

Assault - Down 8.8%

Human Trafficking - Down 83.3%

Burglary - Down 45.4%

Motor Vehicle Theft - Down 6%

Arson - Down 7.9%

Larceny Theft - Up 12.8%

Year over year the only type of crime that is up is Larceny Theft, and most of that is shoplifting. Everything else is down, and some of it by significant margins. There is no real basis for this "crime wave" people keep talking about. That pressure is really just right wing propaganda.

https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...

Quick Edit: When I published this the stats were only current to February 6th, but they were updated after I posted with data up to the 13th. So my numbers above are going to be slightly off, but you can confirm them by changing the timeframe to end on the 6th.

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