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15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by sofixa »

coryrc wrote: post #54
Barrin92 wrote: post #30

"Neuralink chips were implanted by drilling holes into the monkeys’ skulls. One primate developed a bloody skin infection and had to be euthanized. Another was discovered missing fingers and toes, “possibly from self-mutilation or some other unspecified trauma,” and had to be put down. A third began uncontrollably vomiting shortly after surgery, and days later “appeared to collapse from exhaustion/fatigue.” An autops…

We allow poor people to mine tiny bits of gold by burning (boiling?) off mercury, poisoning themselves, their family, and the whole ecosystem, as their nervous systems degenerate like a slow form of torture. This is tame. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/28/climate/amazon-forest-mer...

Same with "artisanal" cobalt mining.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by cloutchaser »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #18

The article felt a bit flat. Surely there's no such thing as "oops, monkey died, let me just grab the next one off the shelf". There's no real reporting into the why or how, just uncritical repeating of the complaint that the neuralink research is dangerous / unethical. The reporting is so flimsy that one starts to look at the page and ask "wait, what site am I on anyway?" Hmm, I wonder what sort of bias a site calle…

2 days ago Tesla Fremont was sued for being a racially segregated workplace. Like really, in 2022, in California. On very dubious grounds based on teslas blog post reply.

These are opening shots in the musk vs woke war. We can’t have him standing up to warren and sanders, posting red pill memes and selfies with Jordan Peterson…

Well good luck. I look forward to musk fighting them. He’s not your average corporate CEO who would rather bow and apologize. He fights. Hard.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by xondono »

ovi256 wrote: post #25
arcticbull wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far he's... - planning to dig tiny tunnels with no ventilation or emergency egress for cars instead of, you know, trains [1] - [edit](as if the only reason we have traffic is because lanes are uncovered? maybe just put a roof over the highway as a beta test?) - he's walked back the whole hyperloop thing almost entirely [2] - some electric cars where he tried to overthrow the government of Bolivia to source lithium…

I think that you'll learn that besides haters, nobody cares about the failures. Or hit rate. Only about the successes. And Elon's had such huge ones that he can keep trying for more.

What hits? Most hits attributed to Musk aren't his.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by holler »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #31
ovi256 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that you'll learn that besides haters, nobody cares about the failures. Or hit rate. Only about the successes. And Elon's had such huge ones that he can keep trying for more.

What are his huge successes in your view?

giving employment to ~110,000 people and counting and inspiring people around the world

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by [deleted] »

Radim wrote: post #60
jsnodlin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes everyone is aware of what happens if you completely do away with ethics in science. Moderation is key here, the pendulum has swung too far to the other extreme from your example.

> ethics in science You forgot about politics. From the same article: > Sanders took this information to General Douglas MacArthur, who was the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers responsible for rebuilding Japan during the Allied occupations. MacArthur struck a deal with Japanese informants: He secretly granted immunity to the physicians of Unit 731, including their leader, in exchange for providing America, but…

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Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by xondono »

throwaway_4ever wrote: post #58

Trolley problem. I wish most Neuralink detractors would even attempt to understand the problem scope, trade-off, and everything that's at stake here in our lifetimes. "Elon Musk wants more $" is such a brain-dead take. The reasoning behind Neuralink is explained here: https://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html#part4 TL;DR Some of the smartest people in the world consider AGI an existential threat and Neuralink is…

> TL;DR Some of the smartest people in the world consider AGI an existential threat and Neuralink is the leading hedge that instead of competing against AGI in futility, we augment ourselves to become the AGI instead.

That's ridiculous

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by WithinReason »

fathyb wrote: post #33
adamtulinius wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It ends up playing using only the neuralink when the joystick is disconnected.

I should have be more attentive (and up to date), that is impressive. I hope those allegations are false, no amount of progress can justify such lack of respect for the life of a primate.

Not even helping every human who lost the use of some or the whole of their body? Isn't being locked into your body for the rest of your life torture as well?

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by inglor_cz »

gherkinnn wrote: post #44
Computeiful wrote: post #9

“Pretty much every single monkey that had had implants put in their head suffered from pretty debilitating health effects,” said the PCRM’s research advocacy director Jeremy Beckham. “They were, frankly, maiming and killing the animals.” Elon's desire for human trials in 2022 definitely isn't going to work. Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.

According to 2018, Tesla trucks should be in production last year. He’s a well of stupid ideas and false promises. Trucks, Cybertrucks, FSD, robots, tunnels, going to Mars in 2025, using Dogecoin for interstellar purchases, uploading our brains and sending that in to space. The list is endless.

This discussion sounds a lot like Reddit. Haters vs. fanboys.

A lot of Musk's business proposals or projects either didn't work or didn't keep to the promised timeline. Some of them did pan out, though. The US now relies on Falcon 9 to get astronauts to space and back. The list of human-rated launch vehicles since Gagarin is pretty short, the very opposite of endless. And people were scoffing at the idea of usefulness of a reusable rocket just weeks before the first successful landings happened.

I also rode a Tesla shotgun. It is a nice car, even though expensive and overhyped. But that isn't the same as vaporware. Traditional car makers suddenly had to compete with a newcomer - after how many decades of a mature market?

If you mentioned those two, I would be inclined to consider your take as more balanced.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by DarknessFalls »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #18

The article felt a bit flat. Surely there's no such thing as "oops, monkey died, let me just grab the next one off the shelf". There's no real reporting into the why or how, just uncritical repeating of the complaint that the neuralink research is dangerous / unethical. The reporting is so flimsy that one starts to look at the page and ask "wait, what site am I on anyway?" Hmm, I wonder what sort of bias a site calle…

Regardless of where the news was reported in the original post, the only thing of importance is whether or not it's true. Did you check some of the original sources?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/extreme-suffering-15-23-...

https://nypost.com/2022/02/10/elon-musks-neuralink-allegedly...

This is worth looking into. First, it's using Tesla drivers as guinea pigs for automation. Then some strange experiments with boring holes under ground. Now torturing monkeys so we can transfer our consciousness. Someone needs to place this guy in check.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by pfdietz »

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #53
pfdietz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. The whole thing sounds wildly science fictional, much more so than something as a simple as a reusable launch vehicle.

I don’t think so. They are just implanting stuff into you. There are already working implants, like pacemakers, this is just more complicated. They have to figure out how to do it without causing too much side effects.

Connecting to the brain is a vastly more complex problem than stimulating a heart.
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