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My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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Re: My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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I can't believe I got all the way to the bottom without seeing a mention of integromat. As an automation addict (and a no longer coding coder) this is what you should be using. Prices range from free to cheap and I'm sure it does 99.9% of what "tines" does

I don't know if you are connected to Integromat or not but that's a smooth way to influence me to google it :)

Re: My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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This is an advertisement. That said, I never played with Yahoo Pipes. It looks like Alteryx I think?

No pipes is more like node red. Alteryx is fairly unique given the heavy excel focus I guess visually they look the same in that it’s flowchart building blocks

There are a number of other (generally much cheaper) visual data transformation tools competing with Alteryx. For example: Easy Data Transform, Easy Morph and Knime.

Re: My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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I have a tab delimited file that I bring into Excel. I need to review it on it a regular basis for cybersecurity reasons. I load the file into Excel and then use the Excel Filters feature to get pulldown menus for each column. I then review the columns and filter for ports, user-agents, IPs, etc. Pretty typical stuff. Anyone know how to automate the above that would basically just spit out files based on how I’m manu…

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Re: My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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I read it happily waiting for the aha moment until the very end, where I realized that it was just an adpost for a new ifttt/transform tool with a glaze of "low code is the future" (All that for just $30k/year)

Tricking people into reading your article is a poor way to start a relationship.

Re: My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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These comments all present valid reasons why low-code is usually a nightmare. To me, the most egregious offender is vendor lock-in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in . It's all fine and dandy if you found a low-code solution that works for you, as long as you're comfortable paying a premium to pigeon hole yourself with that solution for the unforeseeable future, with no guarantees that you won't get royall…

Vendor lock-in is not always a problem. Imagine that you have a situation where you can either throw one engineer at it to create a custom solution or buy an existing one that locks you into their service offering? What would you choose? It is not always clear-cut, but it is better to buy simply because employees are not permanent in most cases. After they leave, there will be zero support.

If you treat them right, why would they leave? You are just planning for abuse in this case, which no amount of tooling will make okay.

Re: My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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I actually had to use this about a year ago to build a SOAR system at a Fortune 500 company. The Tines team was pretty responsive to questions and requests for help, and they even sent me a nice box of swag. The box arrived after I resigned from that job, however. No matter how many niceties you put on flow-based programming, the tools I had to use (all serverless) were the wrong ones for the job, and management was…

Thanks for the feedback! We've implemented a ton of features since then, most notably story history & versioning, annotations for documenntation, better alerting on changes (e.g. no event in 24 hours etc.), but recognise there's still a long way to go. I'd love to hear some more feedback if you want to DM me, it sounds like the project was a bit of a horror show!

Re: My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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I once had to implement SOAR in a “no code” automation solution (it was not Tines), and it was terrible. There were a lot of connectors and transformers, but almost all of them had some weird quirks that made them hard to use effectively. Coming from an “all code” background I was pulling my hair out trying to troubleshoot everything. The project was sufficiently onerous that I actually left my job over it.

Co-founder of Tines here. This is exactly why we built Tines - I spent years working in security, and tried nearly a dozen different SOAR/SOAR-like solutions and felt the all were too complicated and the "connector" model was way too hard - the integrations were all quirky and limited.

Tines is completely different - we don't rely on any prebuilt integrations - similar to postman, if you have a curl command then you can paste it into Tines, and the response is simply the json from the API you're hitting - makes it a million times easier to do exactly what you want. You can then use that response in the next action. If the API is terrible (it frequently is) we've a ton of templates to help get the relevant data, and a community with experience connecting to most tools.

Would love to talk about the challenges and see if anything we're doing (or could do) which would have made it easier? I hope you're in a better job now anyway!

Re: My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No pipes is more like node red. Alteryx is fairly unique given the heavy excel focus I guess visually they look the same in that it’s flowchart building blocks

There are a number of other (generally much cheaper) visual data transformation tools competing with Alteryx. For example: Easy Data Transform, Easy Morph and Knime.

I'm familiar with Knime. I'll need to check these others out. Thanks for the references.

Re: My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for $30,000 per year you know they are also taking you for a ride, not just locking you in. I’d personally rather hire an assistant than pay $3,000 per year to have my lights turn off when I’m on a call. Can you even imagine putting a price of $3000 per automation on a glorified IFTT? It doesn’t matter how much better it is.

Yes if it saves you paying cybersec salary for a watch, cut, and paste alert jockey.

But is there any reason you’d need this as opposed to any of the other options that cost less than 1/10th the price? My point isn’t that these apps aren’t awesome and worthwhile to use to automate things. Of course they are. But this price seems absurdly out of line with the market and value.

Re: My thirty years of dodging repetitive work with automation tools

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I can't believe I got all the way to the bottom without seeing a mention of integromat. As an automation addict (and a no longer coding coder) this is what you should be using. Prices range from free to cheap and I'm sure it does 99.9% of what "tines" does

I don't know if you are connected to Integromat or not but that's a smooth way to influence me to google it :)

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