It looks to me like it's designed with tablets in mind, not desktops / laptops.
Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
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Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
#62I doubt any major vendor will do this. First off, they don't want to be locked into selling Microsoft-only machines. If they can't pretend Linux is an option, Microsoft can charge them $1000 for a Windows license and there's nothing they can do about it. If they have Linux hanging over Microsoft's head, though, they'll get better pricing on Windows. (Think this won't happen? It already did with XP on netbooks. When M…
> If that doesn't work, the need for booting non-standard Windows images will save us. I've never worked for any company that ran a stock Windows install -- everyone rolls their own. If new machines won't boot this image, guess what, that new machine is bought from some vendor that doesn't do this to them. That's not how this works. It doesn't expect that the entire OS install is signed. It expects that the kernel is…
Where do you see the requirement that the kernel has to be signed? I only see them mentioning the boot loader, which should be something entirely different (both on Windows and Linux, as far as I'm aware. I admit that my knowledge about the Windows boot process is incomplete).
If I'm correct (?) your whole reply to that point was a bit over the top, especially the 'tell me where you work so that I can ignore you' part.
Edit: Reading the original source (I recommend it!) confuses me. It says 'unsigned binaries will not load', but still: I'm still reading that as 'will not be loaded by the UEFI firmware' - which should only need to load the bootloader (+ relevant drivers) as far as I understand it?
Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
#63Unless I'm misunderstanding something, this is silly FUD. Microsoft isnt stupid enough (or evil enough, despite what some like to believe) to attempt to force PC oems to effectively block all OSes except Windows. They know this wouldn't work, and there'd be no point in trying to force it. Supporting hardened boot is not the same as requiring it. Microsoft already utilizes this for BitLocker. You can still install Lin…
+1, hardened boot is something we will address eventually with MBR and BIOS viruses on the rise again. Makes sense for MS to push In this direction and Intel/AMD aren't going to lock down that hardware to anything else.
Your $200 Dell from Best Buy might, but that will be part of the subsidy from MS. Meh.
Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
#64I doubt any major vendor will do this. First off, they don't want to be locked into selling Microsoft-only machines. If they can't pretend Linux is an option, Microsoft can charge them $1000 for a Windows license and there's nothing they can do about it. If they have Linux hanging over Microsoft's head, though, they'll get better pricing on Windows. (Think this won't happen? It already did with XP on netbooks. When M…
> Nobody uses Windows as a server OS, This is the problem with getting tech news only from HN.
I've n ever worked anywhere that doesn't use Windows as a server OS.
Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. At my last job, they had 200+ servers, all Windows. When I tried to bring up Linux as an option, they sort of winced and said "Linux... ehhh... it's hard to get Linux doing what you want."
I have never used Windows servers, and I am curious how do you do things which are obvious on Linux on a windows server? 1. Can SQL server deployment be automated? I remember reading somewhere it is mostly GUI administration, though things might have changed with WMI. 2. How do you manage IIS? Say you need to restart IIS on 200+ servers? 3. What is the remote model? Windows doesn't have a decent command line, so ssh…
Two words: Power Shell. Well, one word.
PS is a "decent command line" for Windows, that can handle most of the things you discuss pretty well.
Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. At my last job, they had 200+ servers, all Windows. When I tried to bring up Linux as an option, they sort of winced and said "Linux... ehhh... it's hard to get Linux doing what you want."
I have never used Windows servers, and I am curious how do you do things which are obvious on Linux on a windows server? 1. Can SQL server deployment be automated? I remember reading somewhere it is mostly GUI administration, though things might have changed with WMI. 2. How do you manage IIS? Say you need to restart IIS on 200+ servers? 3. What is the remote model? Windows doesn't have a decent command line, so ssh…
#3 is Remote Desktop, not sure on the other 2
Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
#67The articles doesn't say, but this would require an TPM in the machine to be successful.. right?
Without a TPM how can the EFI be trusted? You just have to replace it as well as the boot loader and kernel.
Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
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> Does this effect dual booting OS X? I doubt the side-effect of blocking Linux boots was anything but a coincidence. But could Microsoft be fearful of Hackintoshes becoming more popular and a increase of OS X running on non-Apple hardware? I doubt it. Whilst I don't mean to belittle the hard work that goes into the hackintosh projects out there, we're talking about a tiny, tiny group of people that probably have an…
Yep. Compatibility is extremely dicey on Hackintoshes -- the best seem to be running hardware that is chipset identical to those in Macs. I'd be more worried about Apple waking up one day and shipping an update that breaks everything.
My Hackintosh runs like a dream. The only post-install hacking I needed to do was setup my graphics card's PCI string properly
Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. At my last job, they had 200+ servers, all Windows. When I tried to bring up Linux as an option, they sort of winced and said "Linux... ehhh... it's hard to get Linux doing what you want."
I have never used Windows servers, and I am curious how do you do things which are obvious on Linux on a windows server? 1. Can SQL server deployment be automated? I remember reading somewhere it is mostly GUI administration, though things might have changed with WMI. 2. How do you manage IIS? Say you need to restart IIS on 200+ servers? 3. What is the remote model? Windows doesn't have a decent command line, so ssh…
I make it short:
1. Of course
2. You write a script. Or simply use something out of the Systems Management Product Family (awesome btw)
3. WMI or Powershell should do the job.
You rarely write custom code when scripting....most use cases a covered by a huge library MS offers. The rest is available through google :)
We have run large Windows Server Farms at my past company (SaaS Business) and maybe 3-4 Linux Servers...the ones causing the most trouble where the Linux ones. One reason: Every dummy can administrate a Windows machine....not so a Linux machine! That fact forced the Ops team to get rid of the Linux machines as quick as the could.
Re: Windows 8 OEM specs may block Linux booting
#70I've long thought that the only place where I allow Windows is in a virtual machine. This seems to hint in that direction: buy a machine that isn't broken (can boot Linux) and do your Windows duties under VirtualBox or something.