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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by causality0 »

bawolff wrote: post #28
exabrial wrote: post #2

It surprises me to see GoFundMe bow to political pressure, when the platform is designed to fund people that are standing up against governments.

I'm not following the whole thing but i think part of the controversy is the person collecting the money is suspected to have run off with it or suspected to intend to run off with it, or something. Regardless, i doubt people waving swastikas and demanding that democratic leaders be replaced with a dictatorship is exactly the type of "standing up to government" gofundme envisioned.

It baffles me why people continue to judge movements they don't like based on their worst members and movements they do like based on their best intentions. I don't agree with their position but most of the truckers aren't Nazis any more than most BLM participants were looters.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by kevintb »

jimbob45 wrote: post #43
Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

As an American that is (involuntarily) more concerned with the weather right now than Canadian politics… What makes it unlawful?

Blocking access to a hospital is illegal.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by lern_too_spel »

ctoth wrote: post #41
Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

I don't really want to get into the weeds here, but when you take a step back and squint a little bit it's hard to tell if this message was written by someone complaining about Canadian Truckers or about the 2020 Summer riots. Maybe let's lean a little more towards letting people express themselves and not bringing in the people with guns?

Rioters should be and were arrested.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by benmmurphy »

Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by kunagi7 »

BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 wrote: post #10

The money should first go to Ottawa residents besieged and subjected to 24 hour honking, diesel fumes and noise from engines running through the night. Then there's revenue loss for the businesses forced to shut down and wage loss for their employees. Class Action Suit could rightfully clean out the GoFundMe.

As an outsider this movement looks mostly peaceful and legit. Sometimes you have to endure some protests to get an idea/movement through. I respect them and hope their voice is heard. Canadian truckers are fighting for Canadians rights and freedoms.

Still, violent rioters are everywhere. Sadly, in Europe we're already used to them. Any excuse is valid for them to destroy public property. Some of them are "professionals" and travel to any protest in Europe just to vandalize and destroy. Some of them get detained and identified.

Even if GoFundMe don't want to support this campaign they should refund all the unpaid donations back to the respecting patrons quickly with an apology.

In Europe several countries are already removing all restrictions and allowing people to live like it's 2019 again (Denmark[1], Finland [2], UK[3]...). Even in my southern European country are slowly removing them.

COVID-19 is evolving from a pandemic to an endemic disease. Stop pretending that countries will be able to remove all traces of it. We'll have to live with it from now and on.

Things like vaccination passes have been proven useless against the latest variants (Delta, Omicron). Vaccinated and non-vaccinated spread the virus the same. And also both groups get sick of Omicron (even if this variant is "milder" I don't recommend going through it).

Outdoor masking makes no sense since transmission at open spaces is really low. Only indoors or in dense crowds (concerts, really busy streets) masks make sense and work. But... Only the FFP3 or FFP2/KN95 [4] have a good protection (cloth, surgical masks have only a little effect). And that protection is limited in time.

Oddly enough, countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand instead of removing all measures seem to double down on them.

[1] https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/denmark-eases-c...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finnish-government-remo...

[3] https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-pm-johnson-drops-covid-1...

[4] https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/q-a-what-...

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by wyager »

exabrial wrote: post #2

It surprises me to see GoFundMe bow to political pressure, when the platform is designed to fund people that are standing up against governments.

They've done this a ton of times to any number of vaguely right-leaning causes (including legal defense fundraisers).

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Post by screye »

Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

> unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business

So every protest that has ever happened ?

If anything, the associated violence and demands of the protest are pretty tame in comparison to what the BLM or Indian Farmers protests demanded.

It is easy to dismiss the protestors because the reason for the protests sounds unimportant within our peer groups. However, a Democracy bestows equal rights onto people, and the validity of a protest is determined more so by its ability to be visible (the emotional fervor) than the merit of its points.

> Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently

Yep.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by good8675309 »

chana_masala wrote: post #49
bawolff wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not following the whole thing but i think part of the controversy is the person collecting the money is suspected to have run off with it or suspected to intend to run off with it, or something. Regardless, i doubt people waving swastikas and demanding that democratic leaders be replaced with a dictatorship is exactly the type of "standing up to government" gofundme envisioned.

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Actor or not, you can’t paint an entire protest based on a fringe group of people waving racist flags. Imagine if you had some radical far-left hate groups showing up to a BLM protest, it would be unfair to say their protest is all about those hate groups.

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Post by BitwiseFool »

bawolff wrote: post #28
exabrial wrote: post #2

It surprises me to see GoFundMe bow to political pressure, when the platform is designed to fund people that are standing up against governments.

I'm not following the whole thing but i think part of the controversy is the person collecting the money is suspected to have run off with it or suspected to intend to run off with it, or something. Regardless, i doubt people waving swastikas and demanding that democratic leaders be replaced with a dictatorship is exactly the type of "standing up to government" gofundme envisioned.

I'm continually amazed at just how easy it is to get people to completely dismiss the legitimacy and message of any movement. All you need is for someone to take a few photos of a unidentifiable individual in the vicinity who is carrying a Nazi flag.

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Post by Barrin92 »

ctoth wrote: post #41
Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

I don't really want to get into the weeds here, but when you take a step back and squint a little bit it's hard to tell if this message was written by someone complaining about Canadian Truckers or about the 2020 Summer riots. Maybe let's lean a little more towards letting people express themselves and not bringing in the people with guns?

I had the exact same take on the riots in 2020 and I don't condone rioting in general. Disrupting public order, destroying property, or just causing economic damage and thinking the law is just some suggestion seems to be an increasing and pretty bad trend.

Expressing yourself is fine, disturbing public life because you don't get your will isn't. That's not how civilized societies resolve issues. This is now apparently a controversial take on multiple political sides.

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