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Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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> Do Apple or Google get a cut of my contribution? - No. Can someone please explain how come Google/Apple won't be taking a cut in this situation? Is it because they have a special deal with Signal?

I'm guessing both have ways for non-profits to take donations without the normal 30% cut. Here's Apple's program: https://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/nonprofits/

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

#63

I am fundamentally not interested in managing monthly bills for things. You won’t win me by asking for recurring donations. Just ask me for ten bucks for some one-time symbolic upgrade. Also I’ve recently been back on the App Store for the first time in a long while. WHAT IS GOING ON?! The gall for simple, offline only apps like a little piano keyboard to want monthly fees for continued use. There isn’t even an illus…

So you don't have any insurances?

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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post #56

Thanks for the friendly reminder to donate. Signal needs to stick around. I am also open to seeing some ads on the platform if that's what it takes to keep it alive and well.

I hope it doesn't stick around and goes down with WhatsApp at some point.

I don't like messengers striving for quasi monopolies

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

#65
post #61

> Do Apple or Google get a cut of my contribution? - No. Can someone please explain how come Google/Apple won't be taking a cut in this situation? Is it because they have a special deal with Signal?

I'm guessing both have ways for non-profits to take donations without the normal 30% cut. Here's Apple's program: https://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/nonprofits/

Wasn't aware of that. It makes sense now. Thanks

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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post #25

Is there a market for a secure messaging app (similar to Signal) that does not rely on personally identifying information (phone numbers and emails) or is that too fringe?

Matrix is probably the closet alternative but it's harder to use than Signal (lost your password? say goodbye to your messages!).

Yes. Without an email or phone number there would be no way to do an account recovery, but perhaps some other clever solutions (allow some of your contacts to reset for you, or sign a message with your key, etc.) may be an option.

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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post #5

I'd argue that $5/month is quite high. Not because Signal isn't useful, but because the actual incurred cost per user is much, much lower. Of course, not everyone is going to pay. But if Signal were to ask users to pay, say $10 per year , i'm sure there'd be a lot more payers.

How do you know the cost per user is "much, much lower"?

Threema, for example costs € 3,99 for a permanent license. The company behind it seems to be profitable and is around for some years now. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.threema.app

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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post #5

I'd argue that $5/month is quite high. Not because Signal isn't useful, but because the actual incurred cost per user is much, much lower. Of course, not everyone is going to pay. But if Signal were to ask users to pay, say $10 per year , i'm sure there'd be a lot more payers.

Isn't signal deep in debt at the moment? At least 100 millions?

I think you might be talking about Brian Acton's loans to them? If so, yeah, they have to pay those off at some point, which begs the question why they took a loan in the first place. They were getting grants and things like that, so taking millions that they have to pay back, especially from a guy who sold WhatsApp to Facebook is... an interesting course of action.

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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post #63

I am fundamentally not interested in managing monthly bills for things. You won’t win me by asking for recurring donations. Just ask me for ten bucks for some one-time symbolic upgrade. Also I’ve recently been back on the App Store for the first time in a long while. WHAT IS GOING ON?! The gall for simple, offline only apps like a little piano keyboard to want monthly fees for continued use. There isn’t even an illus…

So you don't have any insurances?

An insurances covers risk over time. That is a completly different thing than a little app that hardly gets any new features and doesn't require expensive server infrastructure to run.

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not requirements for most messaging app users. I just want secure messaging. I don’t care if it’s open or interoperable. WhatsApp if it was run by a non profit.

Even if it's not most users, it still benefits the other people. Why should everyone be forced to give away their phone number? Why should everyone be forced to use the same app including it's limitations? Why should everyone be forced to make a contract with the same vendor? It could well be that it's not a requirement, because people don't think about it or take it as given. Imagine Email or phones would work the s…

You are free to not use the product if it and it's roadmap doesn't meet your needs. Lots of messaging options to choose from.
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