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Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by supernova87a »

idle_zealot wrote: post #23
paxys wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Apple control communication on an iPhone? And the only thing this "regulation" will do is shift control over to the government, which is worse in every way.

> How does Apple control communication on an iPhone? They control what messaging apps you are allowed to install on your iPhone.

That's a little bit of an exaggerated / intentionally misconstrue-able way to say the truth, isn't it?

They approve apps to be sold/distributed on their platform based on rules about what those apps do or are allowed to do, and whether they comply with local laws.

You're leaning towards making it sound like they decide what messaging apps you're allowed to use based on what you plan to say (content wise) on them.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by gherkinnn »

avalys wrote: post #47
supernova87a wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this just a knee-jerk thing to say because it seems like it must be true, and it's fashionable to take an alarmist position about any big company? Is there any critical thought behind such a statement? Apple has not (in my recollection) sought to exert control over content of what is being said or shared among users. In fact, they seem to keep quite a distance from wanting to know or be responsible for that. And y…

Well, they decided all of their phones are going to analyze your locally-stored photographs for child photography, and upload questionable photos to the cloud for human review... They also block apps that involve politically controversial content, or content that they disagree with (e.g. pornography).

> Well, they decided all of their phones

Announced but not (yet) implemented.

> analyze your locally-stored photographs for child photography

Nope. Only the ones on iCloud.

> and upload questionable photos to the cloud for human review

Also a misrepresentation.

> or content that they disagree with (e.g. pornography).

True. And yes, I should have a wank to whatever I please. Legality permitting.

It is so easy to criticise Apple. So many angles to attack them on. So don't misconstrue facts. There's really no need.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

thewarrior wrote: post #50
zepto wrote: post #40

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There is no serious analysis that presents this scenario with any certainty.

Let’s not miss the forest for the trees. China will continue to grow and get very close to the size of the American economy. China is already the worlds largest economy in terms of raw output (PPP terms). China is already the worlds largest consumer market. There’s a reasonable chance it exceeds USA in nominal GDP it if it grows at 5+% till 2030. This year they grew at 8.5 %

> China will continue to grow and get very close to the size of the American economy.

Given that they are hitting a demographic cliff in a few years, it is not so guaranteed anymore. It will be an interesting next couple of decades for China.

> This year they grew at 8.5 %

A lot of that is real estate, the same real estate that speculators are banking on will sell to poor farmers for a million dollars when they re-locate to cities (and the same farmers who aren't having that many kids anymore...).

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by shuckles »

supernova87a wrote: post #53
avalys wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they decided all of their phones are going to analyze your locally-stored photographs for child photography, and upload questionable photos to the cloud for human review... They also block apps that involve politically controversial content, or content that they disagree with (e.g. pornography).

Well, factually incorrect. (although they didn't do a great job of explaining it). They are said to analyze the fingerprint of photos that have been stored in iCloud, and flag if any match the fingerprints of known suspected criminal child porn photos. Photos are not being "taken" from you and uploaded without your consent, or being looked at by other people. Anyway, side point. And on the 2nd point, they like any co…

Doubly interesting because the root of the discussion was the claim that, “This means we will soon enough have a situation where a corporation controls the primary medium of communication of the citizens” yet the complaint is this corporation obeys the laws of the citizens’ government!

I think there are compelling arguments for making Apple open up which apps can access their SDKs natively, but I think most instances of its implementation will be driven by adversarial governments and bad for user freedoms.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by DeusExMachina »

eoinboylan wrote: post #49
supernova87a wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this just a knee-jerk thing to say because it seems like it must be true, and it's fashionable to take an alarmist position about any big company? Is there any critical thought behind such a statement? Apple has not (in my recollection) sought to exert control over content of what is being said or shared among users. In fact, they seem to keep quite a distance from wanting to know or be responsible for that. And y…

They did remove Parler from the App Store, then reinstated it months later.

Gab is not allowed on the App Store.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by teitoklien »

klelatti wrote: post #48

Apple is the ‘Personal IBM’: a premium systems integrator where ‘you never blame yourself for buying Apple’ in the era when everyone has a handheld computer. Edit - just to add that IBM dominated computing for a long time with this model. Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised that Apple has become so big in what is a much bigger market.

> you never blame yourself for buying Apple

I do, latest macs have terrible linux compatibility for now, with apple not doing much to help in providing support for it (M1)

They keep fixing and breaking their keyboards, the latest macs are better in this aspect but until even 2 yrs ago, they used to break quite frequently

Apple making it so hard to develop ios apps on a non apple device, definitely brings additional pain, I don’t want to use apple for my computer.

Saying it as someone who really enjoys using the iphone.

I get why people like macbooks so much, but saying “You never blame yourself for buying Apple” is untrue

For me, that would stand for thinkpads and even then primarily for the older ones.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by chunkyguy »

ericmay wrote: post #28

Quarter after quarter Tim Cook just mic drops these earnings. Remember all the “Apple is doomed, Tim is a bean counter” comments when Jobs handed over the reigns? Yea. Ok.

Who is surprized by these numbers? Since Cook took over from Jobs earnings are the only thing they're focused on. The product quality, developer experience, user experience,.. everything that made Apple great is declining.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by gkbrk »

threeseed wrote: post #51
ravenstine wrote: post #29

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And what browser engine you're allowed to use and, thereby, the extent to which you can control your web experience. Then there's the App Store being both a point of control, a burden on developers, and highway robbery with Apple's 30% cut.

Apple's cut is 15% for all developers making up to $1m/year. And if you think the App Store is a burden you should try implementing customer acquisition and go-to market strategies which is what the store gives you for free.

> you should try implementing customer acquisition and go-to market strategies

I'd try but Apple doesn't let its customers willingly install my app from me or any other open-source repository they might choose.

If the only option is the App Store, it's not very surprising that the App Store is good for customer acquisition. You literally cannot acquire them any other way, you are artificially prevented by Apple's anti-competitive measures.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by universenz »

avalys wrote: post #47
supernova87a wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this just a knee-jerk thing to say because it seems like it must be true, and it's fashionable to take an alarmist position about any big company? Is there any critical thought behind such a statement? Apple has not (in my recollection) sought to exert control over content of what is being said or shared among users. In fact, they seem to keep quite a distance from wanting to know or be responsible for that. And y…

Well, they decided all of their phones are going to analyze your locally-stored photographs for child photography, and upload questionable photos to the cloud for human review... They also block apps that involve politically controversial content, or content that they disagree with (e.g. pornography).

Correction: They /attempted/ to add an /optional/ feature for your /children's/ account(s).

Do you have kids? Daughters? Would you like better control over what they're exposed to? Being given the tools to track screen time, purchases and control where possible exposure to objectionable content for immature minds isn't a bad thing.. provided it is opt-in. Which the feature always was before the news cycle chose their own narrative.

Re: Apple Reports First Quarter Results

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Post by thewarrior »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #63
thewarrior wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s not miss the forest for the trees. China will continue to grow and get very close to the size of the American economy. China is already the worlds largest economy in terms of raw output (PPP terms). China is already the worlds largest consumer market. There’s a reasonable chance it exceeds USA in nominal GDP it if it grows at 5+% till 2030. This year they grew at 8.5 %

> China will continue to grow and get very close to the size of the American economy. Given that they are hitting a demographic cliff in a few years, it is not so guaranteed anymore. It will be an interesting next couple of decades for China. > This year they grew at 8.5 % A lot of that is real estate, the same real estate that speculators are banking on will sell to poor farmers for a million dollars when they re-lo…

Sure and that slows GDP growth by 40-50%. They’re still growing by a lot. It just moves the date by a few years.

Demographic doom is frequently cited for China but I rarely hear about the doom of Europe which has worse demographics. Demographics can be topped up using immigration. Without immigration the US would also be in demographic decline.

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