What is preventing the US from putting a QR in those cards as many other countries?
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Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare
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#62Good. People have a right to be free.
Well depends what you call free. If we can end pandemic, we don't have to wear masks, no more boosters. That would be ideal freedom right? But not vaccinating, thinking one can outsmart public health officials, being intolerant is apparently not a freedom to me.
Freedom is self-determination and ownership of your own survival.
Some people will make decisions you see as stupid or bad. Upside: others can't impose their decisions on you. Downside: you can't impose your decisions on others.
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#63Is it really a public health nightmare? What data is there to show that vaccine passports are effective at reducing spread or hospitalizations?
Not just numbers, but numbers we can trust. I've been really impressed with how much data my province (Alberta) has made available, but now, I'm wondering. They recently had "technical difficulties", and the numbers changed from showing that double-vaxxed people were the most at-risk for omicron, to showing that unvaxxed people are. https://twitter.com/AB_CovidFacts/status/1486112498977685506 Also disturbing is that,…
Is there a reasonable explanation for the revised numbers without delving into conspiracies?
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#64This is a direct result of the (intentionally) punitive nature of vaccine mandates. Broad, heavy-handed actions by the government are the classic spark for societal backlash. A softer approach that focused on positive benefits for having a vax pass versus punishing unvaxxed would probably had better results. Instead, we've pushed (presumably) otherwise law-abiding citizens into using forged documents. This directly u…
People Don't realize that Quebec is banning unvaccinated people from many stores including big box stores (Walmart etc) [0]. The punitive nature is a side effect of creating this new authoritarianism. If you could have new authoritarianism more effectively without punitive measures, I'm sure that's what we would see.
Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare
#65Good. No one verifies this crap anyway. Even in Israel where it's a digitally signed government issued token, nobody has actually ever verified it (that I've seen). Only at the airport, maybe.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I for one really enjoy the vaccine mandate in NYC. I feel much more comfortable knowing that if I catch it going out (seems likely), I'll be unlikely to spread it to anyone unvaccinated causing serious disease. Of course I'm also boosted and got my flu shot (and do it every year), so I'm probably already more conscientious living in NYC than many. If someone uses a fake to get in... well... there's only so much I can…
So someone else’s freedoms should be limited so you can feel “comfortable”?
Lol, yes.
If people want to eat at restaurants unvaccinated in NYC they have a variety of options. They can eat outside in the stalls which often have heat and shields against the wind. They can order at home and eat with their friends who want to take that risk.
Going to a concert so you can more likely catch and spread a highly infectious virus and become more sick and hospitalized isn't some constitutional right.
And the value of not having people who'll willingly "limit someone else's freedoms" by spreading a virus they could be vaccinated against, well, at the end of the day, I'd rather "limit their freedoms" to use your term, then the person who didn't need to catch it anyways and is now sick or hospitalized. That sounds a lot more like "limited freedoms" than "Oh no, I can't see a play".
Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare
#67This is a direct result of the (intentionally) punitive nature of vaccine mandates. Broad, heavy-handed actions by the government are the classic spark for societal backlash. A softer approach that focused on positive benefits for having a vax pass versus punishing unvaxxed would probably had better results. Instead, we've pushed (presumably) otherwise law-abiding citizens into using forged documents. This directly u…
My observation is that the political polarization of the topic came before any government action, and is the more primary cause of the issue. Government action (both heavy-handed and otherwise) sparks backlash because of the political polarization.
Yes, politics is downstream from culture.
Policy in a representative government tends to come from established interests.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
The qr code idea in Europe works together with your id. Americans don't want to use ID even for voting, hard to expect to have working vaccination card program. Hence they're left with random papers and the problem on hand.
> Americans don't want to use ID even for voting *many liberal Americans
That's funny, considering the concept of a national ID has been soundly rejected by republicans for decades. Instead we shoehorned SSN's into that position.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not just numbers, but numbers we can trust. I've been really impressed with how much data my province (Alberta) has made available, but now, I'm wondering. They recently had "technical difficulties", and the numbers changed from showing that double-vaxxed people were the most at-risk for omicron, to showing that unvaxxed people are. https://twitter.com/AB_CovidFacts/status/1486112498977685506 Also disturbing is that,…
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, let's just make everyone's private medical info even less private! That's the ticket!
I don't understand why the US must invent new solutions, when there are already working solutions in other countries of the world. Yes, with a digitally signed QR code and an ID, where the controller checks the signature and the ID and that's it, no medical info goes anywhere. Even the US has ID checks when buying alcohol, why it's so difficult to use for covid? And yeah some people show fake IDs too, but how many ar…
What "new solutions" has the US invented? The cards were never meant to serve as proof of vaccination. That's the bottom line.