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Militarized Dolphins Protect Almost a Quarter of the US Nuclear Stockpile

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>If a mine or other weapon is detected, the dolphin returns to its handler, but who places mines there? are those animals actually having missions or they just stay prepared?

Yes, they're prepared to defend against enemy combat divers placing mines. *In peacetime, they defend against enemy infiltrators gathering intelligence.

There's a long history of combat divers, or frogmen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decima_Flottiglia_MAS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Crabb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frankton

There are many such stories.

One of my favourites is of the jovial, slightly portly Italian diplomat Luigi Ferraro (in reality a frogman under diplomatic cover) during WW2 in neutral Turkey, who at night would go out to a nearby port, swim out and place limpet mines on British ships transporting vital chrome for steelmaking to Britain. Yes, let's go assemble high explosive timed devices, alone, then swim, at night, and place the devices on defended enemy ships. He sank three.

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This isn't exactly a secret or new information... it was pretty well known when I lived on the peninsula 10+ years ago (thus the username, Poulsbohemian...). There's a state park right near the Hood Canal bridge where it isn't uncommon to watch the submarines come and go in and out of the canal. Always a bit surreal to push your kids on the swings while watching a first strike weapon capable of destroying the world p…

No doubt surreal, but a single sub destroy the world? That piqued my interest so took a quick look and found an article [1].

This article states that "even a single vessel [submarine] could reduce as many as 288 city-sized targets into radioactive ash in less than 30 minutes." Later in the article they say that the Ohio class is capable of carrying up to 24 UGM-133 Trident II D5 submarine launched ballistic missiles. Each ballistic missile can carry as many as 12 W88 475 kiloton thermonuclear warheads. For comparison, the one that struck Hiroshima is estimated to have been 10-20 kiloton. So the Ohio class can delivery up to 472 x 12 or 5,700 kilotons (5.7 megaton) or ~285 x the energy release of Hiroshima.

- EDIT: 472 x 12 X 24 = 137 megatons or 6,796 the energy release of Hiroshima.

By comparison scientists have been speculating the scale of the energy release of the eruption in Tonga [2]: "Jim Garvin, chief scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, said the eruption of the Hunga-Tonga-Hunga-Ha'apai volcano on January 15 released "hundreds of times the equivalent mechanical energy of the Hiroshima nuclear explosion". The article goes on to say that preliminary estimates are between 4-18 megatons. That energy release created a cloud ~650km / 400mi in diameter. "The cloud would obscure most of Great Britain and the east coast of Ireland. It is almost the same size as mainland Spain.".

EDIT: So an Ohio class SSBN could unleash ~136 megatons which is 7.5-34 x the energy release of the Tonga eruption.

The eruption occurred undersea whereas nuclear warheads detonate above ground as an "air blast" or close to sea level as a "surface blast". "Tactically, surface detonations can be seen as an effective means to obliterate a specific target and surrounding ground forces." [4]. "Unlike surface blasts, air blasts produce almost no local fallout upon detonation. Instead, air blasts are more effective in producing high levels of over-pressure over larger areas and increased yields of thermal radiation.".

So what's my conclusion from this short research? The sources suggest an Ohio class submarine could destroy 288 cities in 30 minutes. No argument there. But destroy the world? It seems evident Earth itself would remain in it's current spherical shape but it would be terribly perhaps irreversibly poisoned, taking a lot if not all life with it. As Nevil Shute puts it in "On the Beach" (New York: William Morrow and Co., 1957) "there would be no “over there,” there would only be “here.” Whether scarred by blast and fire from a nuclear war, no place would be spared the inescapable lethality of the resulting radiation". "Global thermonuclear war is just that, a war against the globe, against the Earth itself."

Thanks parent for fueling a perfect little distraction from my long list of important tasks today :)

[1]https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/these-5-submarines-co...

[2]https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/24/asia/tonga-hiroshima-bomb...

[3]https://graphics.reuters.com/TONGA-VOLCANO/lgpdwjyqbvo/

[4]http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2019/ph241/abbate2/

Re: Militarized Dolphins Protect Almost a Quarter of the US Nuclear Stockpile

#63

This isn't exactly a secret or new information... it was pretty well known when I lived on the peninsula 10+ years ago (thus the username, Poulsbohemian...). There's a state park right near the Hood Canal bridge where it isn't uncommon to watch the submarines come and go in and out of the canal. Always a bit surreal to push your kids on the swings while watching a first strike weapon capable of destroying the world p…

No doubt surreal, but a single sub destroy the world? That piqued my interest so took a quick look and found an article [1]. This article states that "even a single vessel [submarine] could reduce as many as 288 city-sized targets into radioactive ash in less than 30 minutes." Later in the article they say that the Ohio class is capable of carrying up to 24 UGM-133 Trident II D5 submarine launched ballistic missiles.…

A single sub can destroy the world any time it's commander wishes, not by launching 288 warheads at 288 cities, but by launching one warhead, at either Moscow, or Washington.

Contingency plans for responding to a decapitating strike will do the rest.

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These days you can't believe anything unless an official source is provided. This is it: https://www.niwcpacific.navy.mil/marine-mammal-program/

I think I can believe most but that part is really weird: > For protection against enemy divers, dolphins will swim up to the infiltrator, bump into them and place a buoy device on their back or a limb using their mouth. The buoy then drags the outed diver to the surface for easy capture. When trained sea lions perform the same maneuver, they use a kind of handcuff with their mouths to attach the buoy Imagine if we d…

I can see the highway signs now:

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Re: Militarized Dolphins Protect Almost a Quarter of the US Nuclear Stockpile

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Let me add yet another reference: Robert Merle's "the day of the dolphin" (un animal doué de raison) published in 1967 (so the navy began training dolphins and sea lions while reading this book). In it, the (talking) dolphins are used in a false flag attack.

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#68

"For protection against enemy divers, dolphins will swim up to the infiltrator, bump into them and place a buoy device on their back or a limb using their mouth. The buoy then drags the outed diver to the surface for easy capture." I mean come on, "enemy divers" will just kill the dolphins or avoid contact with them..

Do you understand the context?

These dolphins are protecting an area claimed by the military. Killing the dolphin would be an act of war. Even doing the same to non-live military equipment would be.

Obviously during wartime the dolphins would be vulnerable. But during peace time you'd think twice before attacking a military dolphin. You don't "just kill" them if you're not in war.

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All these links and no 'Johnny Mnemonic' reference. Takes place in 2021. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Mnemonic_(film)

It’s been a while since I’ve seen it, but I can’t remember it including anything with dolphins.

Clearly not a memorable movie: https://youtu.be/nGXKFmWF-OA

Re: Militarized Dolphins Protect Almost a Quarter of the US Nuclear Stockpile

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post #58

Leave animals outside the d*mn wars, FFS. Good news about all this is that maybe, hopefully, powerful alien races are actually evaluating us and they'll treat us accordingly to our BS.

You are about 10,000 yeas late to the party. Horses and dogs have been used on war for about as long as humans have been fighting.
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