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Re: The implementation of the UK Covid-19 dashboard

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Elsewhere[0] Microsoft have redefined "Open Source" to not include the right to redistribute, or to host on a cloud service.

So while there's nothing wrong here with calling an MIT project open souce, it's not inconsistent with their own definition, and useable as propaganda.

[0] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/services/developer-tools/d...

>Is Azure Data Studio open source?

>Yes, the source code for Azure Data Studio and its data providers is open source and available on GitHub. The source code for the front-end Azure Data Studio, which is based on Microsoft Visual Studio Code, is available under an end-user license agreement that provides rights to modify and use the software, but not to redistribute it or host it in a cloud service. The source code for the data providers is available under the MIT license.

Re: The implementation of the UK Covid-19 dashboard

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It's funny to read about a dashboard with TBs of memory and distributed DBs when on HN, people pride themselves on getting Web servers to run on floppy disk based systems.

Joking aside, I liked the description of the dashboard, and generally speaking the UK's government Web sites are better quality, support open data more, are easier to read and navigate than other European countries from what I have seen. This includes this dashboard, which looks clean, simple and functional.

I was waiting for the big SQL Server advertising language and positively suprised that the article is very tech agnostic. I did all seem to be rather over-engineered, but Microsoft needs to make some money and government agencies don't generally have wizards from HN working for them, so I can live with an occasionally over-engineered system as long as important systems are working and remain up.

The most mysterious part for me was why one would put JSON inside relational tables?

Re: The implementation of the UK Covid-19 dashboard

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post #61

Elsewhere[0] Microsoft have redefined "Open Source" to not include the right to redistribute, or to host on a cloud service. So while there's nothing wrong here with calling an MIT project open souce, it's not inconsistent with their own definition, and useable as propaganda. [0] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/services/developer-tools/d... >Is Azure Data Studio open source? >Yes, the source code for Azure Data Stu…

It’s still useful to have the source open for reference even if you can’t redistribute though.

Re: The implementation of the UK Covid-19 dashboard

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I like the UI design in figure 1. There’s no crap in the way of the data but i don’t feel overwhelmed either. My eyes can scan across sections and it feels natural, theres no firehose effect. I like the thought that’s gone into showing the % vaccinated in the top right. I like the dashed underlines telling me that some explainatory text is available. I think the page looks inoffensive but is clearly focussed on being…

Yes, I thought the same thing in finding it easier on my eyes/quick perception of the site.

I do think the UK and some other countries do a better job of presenting data compared to the CDC.

It's pretty much agreed that the rate of unvaccinated people vs. vaccinated people winding up in hospital beds is several times higher, however, all the CDC data presented is only rates. I want tallies or counts, and I cannot find them. For instance, on Ontario, Candada's site[1], the vaccinated are 74% vs. the unvaccinated's 26% of COVID hospitalizations. Most non-technical people think the hospitalizations of COVID patients is like over 90%. It's because more and more people are vaccinated, even with a lower rate of hospitalizations, the numbers are higher. Also, it's interesting to see on the Ontario site that COVID hospitalizations consist of 56% directly for COVID, and 44% were admitted for other reasons and then tested positive for COVID once hospitalized. The case is more telling for ICU with 81% admitted for COVID, and 19% for other reasons.

I am trying to play with raw data more for refreshing my munging skills than making a point or fodder to add to the COVID noise. I have been coding since 1978, played with neural nets, GAs, and GP in the late 1980s, but I don't code or do data analysis for a living right now (other than buisness strategy reports that require some basic analysis). There's a lot of data out there, and it can get very confusing. I am back to using R/RStudio from a brief stint using Julia/Pluto notebooks and previously using Python/Jupyter notebooks. I even did a toy DSEIR model in J back in April 2020 based on previous work by a couple of people, which I plan on updating to April[2]. I am going to try and do some Lisp work, and I think I will settle on RStudio and Lisp for more genomic/bioinformatic stuff (yes, I know biolisp has been supplanted by python, however, Lisp is having a renaissance in symbolic-related areas of ML again like NLP). BTW, in what language was GPT implemented, not API languages, but what PL(s) was used to create the code - C++, Java, Go?

I may be bad at navigating the CDC website, but I can't seem to get the dataset of numbers of hospitalizations by vaccination status, only rates or pre-filtered data. I do remember downloading raw data that seemed to have it (over 1.8gb, I think), but I can't seem to find it. I'd appreciate a link if anyone has it.

[1] https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations#hospitaliz...

[2] https://github.com/phantomics/april

Re: The implementation of the UK Covid-19 dashboard

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post #49

First, when you see public officials doing a blog post on "Microsoft.com" website instead of on a public website, you know that something fishy is going on... On the other side, I have the feeling that this thing that clearly over-engineered. Just look at data their diagram... If I'm not wrong there is one writer and multiple reader for the data, or at least multiple writers on one side and multiple readers on anothe…

> First, when you see public officials doing a blog post on "Microsoft.com" website instead of on a public website, you know that something fishy is going on... Maybe, I'm naive, or not cynical enough, but I just read this as a case study of customer using Azure to provide the general public with information in a robust fashion. In fact, if anything, the whole article is remarkably light on pushing Azure, and quite h…

To be accurte, it's not completely Micrsoft agnostic, it make use case for a PSQL extension citus[1], the company behind this extension has been acquired by Microsoft two years ago[2].

[1]: https://github.com/citusdata/citus

[2]: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2019/01/24/microsoft-acquir...

Re: The implementation of the UK Covid-19 dashboard

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First, when you see public officials doing a blog post on "Microsoft.com" website instead of on a public website, you know that something fishy is going on... On the other side, I have the feeling that this thing that clearly over-engineered. Just look at data their diagram... If I'm not wrong there is one writer and multiple reader for the data, or at least multiple writers on one side and multiple readers on anothe…

> First, when you see public officials doing a blog post on "Microsoft.com" website instead of on a public website, you know that something fishy is going on... The article states it was written by Claire Giordano from San Francisco. Not sure where you got the UK Government official from. To me it read like a b2b marketing piece and showcase. Kind of: We can power this, so we can power your BI dashboard as well. Taki…

It definitely had a bit of a marketing tone, but it was focused on what's ultimately an open source product you can run pretty much anywhere, from a different cloud provider to your own bare metal, they just happened to use it on Azure.

Re: The implementation of the UK Covid-19 dashboard

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post #61

Elsewhere[0] Microsoft have redefined "Open Source" to not include the right to redistribute, or to host on a cloud service. So while there's nothing wrong here with calling an MIT project open souce, it's not inconsistent with their own definition, and useable as propaganda. [0] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/services/developer-tools/d... >Is Azure Data Studio open source? >Yes, the source code for Azure Data Stu…

How is the most common open source license not open source?

Re: The implementation of the UK Covid-19 dashboard

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dashboard has to deal with a complex data integration problem, with different sources with differences in completeness, accuracy, age, and granularity (at many levels), daily corrections in past data, changes in data structure and semantics over time, large data volume, 4pm traffic spikes. Moreover, an API that allows you to select different metrics for different areas. Being able to simply write a SQL query or u…

See the other comment about the Dutch dashboard. Covid data isn’t changing that quickly. Having the frontend render something more static simplifies the design. No sql queries are even needed and you don’t need to scale out your database.

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Re: The implementation of the UK Covid-19 dashboard

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post #58

> Government project > awarded to Microsoft Hey Europe, want to stop being several decades behind in IT compared to US/China? One simple trick: Ban FAANG from public procurement in Europe! It‘s a no-brainer really. Buy locally, ideally giving small companies and startups a chance. You will have to do it anyway very soon if you want your privacy laws to be taken seriously. There might be a couple of months of friction…

> Ban FAANG from public procurement in Europe! Is it any better if SAP / Telekom get similar contracts (what usually happens in Germany)?

At least the tax euros stay in Europe, and you get local expertise, tech hubs etc

Re: The implementation of the UK Covid-19 dashboard

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> Government project > awarded to Microsoft Hey Europe, want to stop being several decades behind in IT compared to US/China? One simple trick: Ban FAANG from public procurement in Europe! It‘s a no-brainer really. Buy locally, ideally giving small companies and startups a chance. You will have to do it anyway very soon if you want your privacy laws to be taken seriously. There might be a couple of months of friction…

Microsoft didn't build this project, they just host it.

It's built in-house by the government.

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