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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by mjg59 »

nrp wrote: post #43
kop316 wrote: post #2

Does the Framework support coreboot? IIRC it does not, and I was sort of surprised to not see that in this announcement. Their github also doesn't have any mention of coreboot: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer And it isn't here either: https://doc.coreboot.org/mainboard/index.html

We called out "We're continuing to invest in open source firmware development, with the goal of replacing other proprietary firmware we're currently stuck with in the future too." in the blog post. Coreboot is something we're very interested in and have done experimentation around. We went with an off-the-shelf proprietary BIOS/UEFI to derisk launching the Framework Laptop on time and satisfying the core goals on it…

Are you planning to ship systems that don't have Boot Guard enforcement enabled? I've done a couple of Coreboot ports (I'm typing from a laptop that's running my build) and the Framework is an extremely interesting target, but if Boot Guard is turned on then that becomes pretty difficult.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by 908B64B197 »

kingcharles wrote: post #6
ignaloidas wrote: post #4

Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them. Otherwise, very nice news!

I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

> but what is the next best alternative?

Use the user locale. Expressed as a geographic region (which you can use to compute the best possible region to serve the user from) and a language (used to render the page).

If you do it correctly you can support weird combinations, such as a German speaker living in California (expects prices in USD). Or the country of Switzerland (one territory, 4 official languages).

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by yurishimo »

capableweb wrote: post #45
philipprk wrote: post #35

Really hoping for the laptop's next iteration to have a reverse T for the arrow keys. Otherwise very solid laptop, would be my first non-Mac choice.

Wow, you're right! Didn't understand how you could not have a reverse T for the arrow keys and took a look at the pictures. The up/down keys are split in half?! Why'd you make the arrow keys have different sizes?!

It was the design on MacBook's for almost 5 years. Apple rolled that change back in late 2020 but it will take other OEM's a while to update their available SKUs to match the Apple of today.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

#64

Post by nightfeather »

uoaei wrote: post #56
trwired wrote: post #52

This is not related directly to the announcement, but touches on a thing that infuriates me to no end - for some reason the site assumed that because I live in the EU and relatively close to German border, I speak German and presented the site in that language. Despite my high-school teacher's heroic efforts, I can at best understand a few basic phrases. I didn't even know what to click in the cookie pop-up to kindly…

I'm surprised things like "preferred language" aren't built into HTTP yet, seems to have a natural home in the user-agent corner of that world.

Actually there is a header for this purpose [Accept-Language on MDN](https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Ac...).

But some sites just don't care about it and try detect this base on other information.

edit: formatting

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by 908B64B197 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #14
rg111 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything but the flag. Why not use full language names? I am very tired of seeing one flag represent my language where that is the newer nation using that language as national language. But that language is spoken for a thousand years or more in other regions.

> I am very tired of seeing one flag represent my language where that is the newer nation using that language as national language. But that language is spoken for a thousand years or more in other regions. I'm not disagreeing with your general point, but I'm curious: What language is over a thousand years old and still recognizably the same language?

> What language is over a thousand years old and still recognizably the same language?

Latin.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by U1F984 »

uoaei wrote: post #56
trwired wrote: post #52

This is not related directly to the announcement, but touches on a thing that infuriates me to no end - for some reason the site assumed that because I live in the EU and relatively close to German border, I speak German and presented the site in that language. Despite my high-school teacher's heroic efforts, I can at best understand a few basic phrases. I didn't even know what to click in the cookie pop-up to kindly…

I'm surprised things like "preferred language" aren't built into HTTP yet, seems to have a natural home in the user-agent corner of that world.

There is the Accept-Language header: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Ac...

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by [deleted] »

uoaei wrote: post #56
trwired wrote: post #52

This is not related directly to the announcement, but touches on a thing that infuriates me to no end - for some reason the site assumed that because I live in the EU and relatively close to German border, I speak German and presented the site in that language. Despite my high-school teacher's heroic efforts, I can at best understand a few basic phrases. I didn't even know what to click in the cookie pop-up to kindly…

I'm surprised things like "preferred language" aren't built into HTTP yet, seems to have a natural home in the user-agent corner of that world.

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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by zild3d »

redthrow wrote: post #51
ignaloidas wrote: post #4

Side note: the language selection is stupid on the website. No, I'm not from Germany, and I don't speak German even if it's the closest country to me that you sell laptops in. Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages. Or to give options that don't work after you select them. Otherwise, very nice news!

> Also, it's a bad practice to associate flags with languages There's even a website for this issue http://www.flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog/why-flags-do-not-re...

Don't think the site is going against these. It says "Choose Location and Language" and offers for example:

- :us-flag: United States [USD]

- :ca-flag: Canada (English) [CAD]

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by dskloet »

uoaei wrote: post #56
trwired wrote: post #52

This is not related directly to the announcement, but touches on a thing that infuriates me to no end - for some reason the site assumed that because I live in the EU and relatively close to German border, I speak German and presented the site in that language. Despite my high-school teacher's heroic efforts, I can at best understand a few basic phrases. I didn't even know what to click in the cookie pop-up to kindly…

I'm surprised things like "preferred language" aren't built into HTTP yet, seems to have a natural home in the user-agent corner of that world.

I guess this is sarcasm but if not:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Ac...

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