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Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by dylan604 »

ren_engineer wrote: post #37
daenz wrote: post #22

Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…

there was plenty of research available that smoking was bad as early as the 1920s, it just got silenced. Mainly because Germany was one of the countries that led the movement. Plus billions of dollars working to stop anybody trying to end the money printing from the tobacco industry >In 1930s Germany, scientific research for the first time revealed a connection between lung cancer and smoking, so the use of cigarette…

When did Big Tobacco start using all of the additives to up the addictive level of the things? Does that correlate to the timing of when they started using the "physician approved" nonsense?

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Post by ars »

daenz wrote: post #22

Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…

It's longer than that, the term "tobacco heart" was around in 1880! I remember reading a short story from around then (I think by Mark Twain), where the character is criticized for the unhealthy habit of smoking.

Maybe lung cancer was 1950s, but health in general? Much, much earlier than that.

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Post by tonmoy »

champagnois wrote: post #53
version_five wrote: post #23

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Yeah who knows what unequivocal advice we could be getting from experts right now that will be thoroughly debunked 70 years from now. (Are dairy and grains still food groups... I could easily go on)

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Can you cite some sources please?

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Post by jack1243star »

champagnois wrote: post #53
version_five wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah who knows what unequivocal advice we could be getting from experts right now that will be thoroughly debunked 70 years from now. (Are dairy and grains still food groups... I could easily go on)

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And yet the Japanese have high life expectancy?

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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champagnois wrote: post #53
version_five wrote: post #23

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Yeah who knows what unequivocal advice we could be getting from experts right now that will be thoroughly debunked 70 years from now. (Are dairy and grains still food groups... I could easily go on)

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Post by csdvrx »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #51
csdvrx wrote: post #39

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I read a bit about that, and now that tocopherol is no longer used as an additive, the only questions seem to be 1) if flavorings are not turned into bad things by the vaporization process 2) if nicotine has enough negative side effects when inhaled to warrant restricting what's an efficient and self-directed smoking cessation method. About 1) the solution for the FDA has been to ban flavorings, under the "think abou…

Tocopherol wasn't used as an additive as far as I know, at least any any reputable ejuice vendor, and from I recall the timing on the flavored vape juice ban was oddly around the same time as first COVID cases. It is likely that they jumped to conclusions and then used "some" vendors adding vitamin E as an excuse for such a drastic terrible measure.

Maybe I wasn't clear, but tocopherol was not a flavoring agent. It was likely the cause of the mysterious lung issue affecting vapers, that stopped after it was removed.

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Post by dragonwriter »

champagnois wrote: post #53
version_five wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah who knows what unequivocal advice we could be getting from experts right now that will be thoroughly debunked 70 years from now. (Are dairy and grains still food groups... I could easily go on)

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> Now go take a look at the protein in every store bought baby formula option

Cow milk; the major infant formula brands, in their main product line, may include soy oil (they use a variety of oils depending on changing supply circumstances) which is not a protein source, and do not include any other soy products.

There are soy protein formulas for infants with galactosemia, who can take neither breast milk nor cow milk based formulas, but that's a fairly special niche.

> any store bought nutrition shake

Very often, cow milk (whey protein isolate and/or milk protein isolate are common), though soy and pea protein are also common.

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by belinder »

tonmoy wrote: post #63
champagnois wrote: post #53

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Can you cite some sources please?

More recent paper I found says we dont really know yet what happens

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2019.00142...

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Post by DoreenMichele »

champagnois wrote: post #53
version_five wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah who knows what unequivocal advice we could be getting from experts right now that will be thoroughly debunked 70 years from now. (Are dairy and grains still food groups... I could easily go on)

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It may not be soy per se. It may be GMO soy that's the problem. From what I gather, a very high percentage of soy is GMO, far more than is typical for most food items.

Re: When cigarette companies used doctors to push smoking (2018)

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Post by pvg »

daenz wrote: post #22

Look at the timeline: 1930 - first cigarette company uses physicians in their ads 1950s - evidence starts mounting that smoking causes lung cancer 1964 - US Surgeon General report on the link between smoking and cancer 1998 - cigarette companies still maintained that the link is controversial So it takes 70 years, or nearly an entire generation, before all of the machinery at play (businesses, government, healthcare,…

The time to reach that level of consensus for lots of things is longer than 70 years - it can easily be infinite. It's not really clear why the final date in your timeline is 1998 since it doesn't mark a time when 'all the machinery in play effectively came to the conclusion'. The dangers of smoking tobacco were widely known through much of the period you've picked and this is also reflected in your timeline.
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